Grain prasadam is not allowed on Janmastami

[Paramananda das]

PAMHO
AGTSP
Srila Prabhupada never took grains on Janmastami , after midnight on the very first Janamstami in ISKCON he served only cut fruits .
Actually sastra does never allow us to take Mahagrains untill the next day.There is an article I have written about this on http://www.dandavats.com/?p=4883

In the Vayu Purana it is stated, “If one desires to become free from all sin, he or she should accept some rice Mahaprasada of Lord Jagannatha (or other grains of Mahaprasadam) on the day after Janmastami day.”
Lord Brahma instructs Narada in the Visnu Rahasya, “Anyone who eats grains on Janmastami day becomes filled with all categories of sin performed in the three worlds, and takes birth as a snake in the forest.”
Brahma Vaivarta Purana:
On a pure Janmastami (not mixed with the saptami) one should not eat even fruit or betel nuts, or even drink water. Eating these is like eating stool or cow’s flesh, or like drinking urine. What, then, can be said of eating rice?
One who eats on Lord Krishna’s birthday is lowest of mankind. His sinful reaction is like that of having raped his mother and murdered a hundred brahmanas.
YE NA KURVANTI JANANTAH KRSNA JANMA ASTAMI VRATAM TE BHAVANTI MAHA PRAJNA VYALA MAHATI KANANE
(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 15/275 from SKANDA PURANA)
Oh greatly intelligent, any person, even with knowledge of Krsna’s birthday
(Janmastami), who does not fast, he takes his next birth as a snake in a thick forest.
SAMPARKEN API YAH KURYAT KASCIT JANMASTAMI VRATAM VISNU LOKAM AVAPNOTI SO’PI PARTHA NA SAMSAYAH
(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 15/295 from SKANDA PURANA)
If someone fasts on Janmastami day, with devotion, he attains the abode of Lord Sri Visnu.
TASYAM VISNU TITHAU KECID DHANYAH KALIYUGE JANAH YE’BHYARCAYANTI DEVESAM JAGRATAH SAMUPOSITAH
(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 15/307 from BRAHMA PURANA Suta Gosvami speaks)
This day (Janmastami day) removes all kinds of sins. Specifically in Kali-yuga, if someone fasts on this day, remains awake overnight and worships Lord Sri Hari properly, those people are worshipable.
I pray all devotees may have a beautiful celebration on Janmastami for the pleasure of Sri Krishna.
your servant
Payonidhi das

[Paramananda das]

PAMHO
AGTSP
This is how I preach to new and older devotees about also not serving grains on Janmastami,Srila Prabhupada never had seperate prasadam made of grains to guests/The
guests are Srila Prabhupadas and Krsna's guests, whatever they have taken before on that day is nothing we can do but we should educate all devotees
and congregation about the glories of fasting on Janmastami and only serve ekadasi prasadam after midnight
This is from a conversation with one Mataji ,about this
your servant
Payonidhi das
PS Why even sell grain prasadam on Janmastami when it is not allowed in sastra? Or serving it. what to speak of serving to devotee...



Yesterday
4:55amMe
please read this Saranagati of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura
http://kksongs.org/authors/saranagati.html
5:05amKrishtee
HARE KRSNA pamho agtsp
THANKS A LOT
5:09amMe
you are welcome it is very important
it is prayers in the 6 different moods of surrender to Krishna
kindly share it also
5:12amMe
PAMHO
AGTSP
and all my blessings and that of Krishna to you
Today
4:32amMe
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/freedom-from-going-to-hell
4:38amMe
how are you my little spiritual sister?
4:38amKrishtee
haribol PAMHO AGTSP
4:39amMe
please accept mine
4:39amKrishtee
by all ur blessing am fine and have got so much to do for janmashtami
4:39amMe
very nice
4:39amKrishtee
overloaded with services and feeling indeed blessed
4:39amMe
and kindly do nto take grains on Janmastami
4:39amKrishtee
yeah will be full fasting like each year
pre\aig for strenght
4:39amMe
and midnight?
please also do not take grains untill next day
4:40amKrishtee
we have ekadashi prasad
4:40amMe
I am happy
4:40amKrishtee
so am i
4:40amMe
because some places they serve grains
4:41amKrishtee
for the guest the whole night food for life team serve grins
grains
4:41amMe
that is only why I asked
4:41amKrishtee
but not for devotees
4:41amMe
that is not good
4:41amKrishtee
but in anywa the guests dont fast
4:41amMe
they should teach the guests to take ekadasi prasadam
4:41amKrishtee
its giving them prasadam
4:42amMe
better to only serve ekadasi
prasadam
4:42amKrishtee
its time place and circumstance
it will be difficult to o so
here
wewill lose so any well wishers
4:42amMe
In ISKCON we used to never serve grains
4:43amKrishtee
its better not to impose too much until they have the taste for kc
4:43amMe
yes point is well taken
but Srila Prabupada never served seperate prasadam for guests
4:43amKrishtee
iskcon has changed a lot sinc ethat time in anyway
4:43amMe
serving grains is inauspiscious
4:44amKrishtee
even the Bg
4:44amMe
that also is not good
4:44amKrishtee
y inauspicious?
4:44amMe
canges is not good
yes let me show you
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/grain-prasadam-is-not-al...
Brahma Vaivarta Purana:
On a pure Janmastami (not mixed with the saptami) one should not eat even fruit or betel nuts, or even drink water. Eating these is like eating stool or cow’s flesh, or like drinking urine. What, then, can be said of eating rice?
One who eats on Lord Krishna’s birthday is lowest of mankind. His sinful reaction is like that of having raped his mother and murdered a hundred brahmanas.
4:46amKrishtee
ok i understand wat sastra say but wat abt practicality??
4:46amMe
sastra is guidelines
4:46amKrishtee
wat u think should t be taken into consideration
4:47amMe
this is given by God
it is not my ideas
4:48amMe
SAMPARKEN API YAH KURYAT KASCIT JANMASTAMI VRATAM VISNU LOKAM AVAPNOTI SO’PI PARTHA NA SAMSAYAH
(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 15/295 from SKANDA PURANA)
If someone fasts on Janmastami day, with devotion, he attains the abode of Lord Sri Visnu.
4:48amKrishtee
i understand but am not the authority alas to take any decision
wat to do
4:48amMe
I am training you to understand
4:48amKrishtee
we have to ollow them
thank u
4:49amMe
following blindly a spiritual autority is not good
4:49amKrishtee
i will definitely let my friends circle know the reason as we were just blindly taking ekadashi prasad
now i know the reasons
4:49amMe
yes this is the first step
in that link also I have refererd to my article on Dandavats.com
The guests are not our guests they are Krishnas guests
4:51amKrishtee
yes true indeed
4:51amMe
so we have to treat them according to Krishnas direction...does that make sense?
4:52amKrishtee
for me yes
4:52amMe
and Srila Prabhupada's guests
yes ,they need to be educadet
then they will understand
just like you understand now
see for example on Gaura Purnima Srila Prabhupada gave so many specific instructions how to fast also for guests
Me
thank you for you attention on this important subject

[Paramananda das]

we can see in Srila Prabhupadas instructions to serve prasadam to guests never set a less standard for them

[Paramananda das]

One devotee asked me:
thank you very much prabhu.what should we serve the guests?

my response:

Ekadasi prasadam Prabhu and best is only after midnight ( but at least only ekadasi prasadam)

here is from my webblock:



PAMHO
AGTSP
This is how I preach to new and older devotees about also not serving grains on Janmastami,Srila Prabhupada never had seperate prasadam made of grains to guests/The
guests are Srila Prabhupadas and Krsna's guests, whatever they have taken before on that day is nothing we can do but we should educate all devotees
and congregation about the glories of fasting on Janmastami and only serve ekadasi prasadam after midnight
This is from a conversation with one Mataji ,about this
your servant
Payonidhi das
PS Why even sell grain prasadam on Janmastami when it is not allowed in sastra? Or serving it. what to speak of serving to devotee...
And we see Srila Prabhupada gave very specific instructions for Gaura purnima, he never wrote on Gaura purnima you have seperate feast for guests with grains

[Paramananda das]

how strict should we observe Janmastami?
PAMHO
AGTSP

I normally am very strict about observing Janmastami last year I fasted all day and night, this year I have a heart condition, so should I risk my life by not taking my medicine
,certainly not.But as strictly as possible we should each year ,so I took a little water and my medicine and later I took one orange and apple Mahaprasadam as I was having pain in my heart.But I felt very guilty because I teach such a strict example according to sastra and felt like a hypocrite, I was planning to do Nirjala until tomorrow,
Haribhakti Vilasa is very strict :http://nitaaiveda.com/All_Scriptures_By_Acharyas/Sanatana_Goswami/H...

But it says:
The Glories of Janmashtami

In the Bhavishya Purana, Uttara-khanda, Lord Krishna tells King Yudhishthira:

O delight of the Kurus, by once fasting during Janmashtami a person becomes free from the sins of seven births. Of this there is no doubt.

Text 284

putra-santanam arogyam
saubhagyam atulam labhet
satya-dharma-rato bhutva
mrito vaikuntham apnuyat

putra-santanam-descendents; arogyam-healthy; saubhagyam-fortune; atulam-peerless; labhet-attains; satya-dharma-ratah-devoted to religion and truth; bhutva-becoming; mritah-dead; vaikuntham-Vaikuntha; apnuyat-attains.


His descendants are righteous. He attains health and peerless good fortune. He becomes devoted to truth and religion, and when he dies he goes to Vaikuntha.

But being strict devotees we should try our best to do so every year

samparkenapi yah kuryat
kashcij janmashtami-vratam
vishnulokam avapnoti
so 'pi partha na samshayah

samparkena-by contact; api-even; yah-who; kuryat-does; kashcit-someone; janmashtami-vratam-the Janmashtami vow; vishnulokam-Vishnukloka; avapnoti-attains; so 'pi-that person; partha-O Partha; na-no; samshayah-doubt.


Even a person who accidentally observes the vow of Janmashtami will go to the spiritual world of Lord Vishnu. Of this there is no doubt.
spoken by Krishna

Anyhow there is so many instructions in Haribhakti Vilasa.Some times we may not be well,Srila Prabhupada once allowed Gargamuni and Brahmananda to take some fruits and
water and milk as their health was not good on that Janmastami.
One devotee showed me a quote that allows some slack in an emergency, this may be for others,I personally think it does not apply to me so I am greatly ashamed I took water today and ate 2 fruits before midnight I have greatly offended Lord Krishna that so mercifully have appeared as this Krsna Janmastami tithi..shame on me and to hell with my so called health
your unfortunate servant
Payonidhi das