seeing through the eyes of scriptures
:Email to Brajanath about philosophical deviations!
dear Brajanath Prabhu
PAMHO
AGTSP
Verse 38
One should never engage in criticizing a Vaisnava or neglecting a Vaisnava even in joking. For Vaisnavas are so glorious that there is nothing to regret even if one sacrifices ones life for theirbenefit.
Verse 39
No one should find fault with a Vaisnava for his activities or behavior. What person is free from the influence of Kali Yuga or has perfect pure behavior and action?
Verse 40
Because the Vaisnava devotees of the Lord are always meditating on Lord Sri Krsna the contamination of sinful activities cannot come upon them. Because a Vaisnava's body has the fire of Krsna
Consciousness within it, even if they are fallen, this fire of Krsna Consciousness will burn up to ashes any material contamination.
Krsna Bhajanamrta
I am not going to take re initiation because Narayana Maharaja is still a bonafide Guru in my eyes, and as such there is no need to, yes certainly there is some philosophical differences
I have pointed them out in line with Krsna Bhajanamrta:
One should not be hesitant or fearful because one is confronting or challenging a spiritual master. "For it has been prescribed that one must appropriately discipline even a spiritual master who is: *bewildered about what he should or shouldn't do; *who is inexperienced or ignorant: *who has deviated from the Krsna conscious path; *or if he is bewildered by false pride."
Krsna Bhajanamrta
In doing so I have not intended to offend HH Narayana Maharaja, that also has planted sees in my heart about Vraja Bhakti as early as 1986:
I have written:
dear Srauti Maharaja
Please please accept my humble obaisences
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
You are assuming I am an offender to Narayana Maharajas lotusfeet to you and many others.I properly am an offender to all jivas
what to speak of vaisnavas like yourself and Narayana Maharaja .So you please take compassion and pray for me.Vaisnavas are the true friends of all souls.
.I can tell you this if Narayana Maharaja gives up the faulty idea there is no Kalki avatar and some of the misconceptions he has I will gladly accept the name he has given me in the past and associate with him and his sanga also.(also provided this sanga stops targeting ISKCON's congregation and devotees)
.First of all I offer my humble obaisences to all vaisnavas. to Narayana Maharaja and all his followers, to Srila Prabhupada and all his followers.First of all to make it clear Srila Prabhupada is senior than HH Narayana Maharaja and should be respected as such and he is the saktya vesa of Nityananda Prabhu,who is non different than Lord Baladeva.I know you and many others do, but some in this sanga offensively thinks Narayana Maharaja is superior to Srila Prabhupada in so many way,this is very improper and is one of the reasons I left this sanga under direct instruction of Srila Prabhupada.
(who appeared in my dreams over 5 nights and clearly instructed me to do so)
I can not tolerate for one split second ,persons that was saved by Srila Prabupadas preaching refers to him as Swamiji.He is given the
honored name Srila Prabhupada,this is accepted even by many in Gaudiya maths such as BS Govinda Maharaja that recently left this world to enter Krsnas Bhauma lilas:( he also spend time with Srila Prabhupada in Allahabad wen he was a grastha to learn Bhagavad Gita from him under the instruction of Sridhara Swami)
nama om visnupadaya krsna-presthaya bhutale
svami sri bhaktivedanta prabhupadaya te nama
gurvajnam sirasi-dharyam saktyavesa sva-rupine
hare-krsneti mantrena pascatya-pracya-tarine
visvacarya prabaryaya divya karunya murtaye
sri bhagavata-madhurya-gita-jnana-pradayine
gaura-sri-rupa-siddhanta-sarasvati nisevine
radha-krsna-padambhoja-bhrngaya gurave nama
"I offer my humble obeisances unto His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, who is very dear to Lord Krsna on this Earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet. Taking the order of his guru on his head, he became empowered by Nityananda Prabhu to act as asaktyavesa avatara. He distributed the Hare Krsna mantra all over the Eastern and Western world, delivering and uplifting all fallen souls. He is the best of millions of jagat-gurus, because he is the personification of divine mercy. He has distributed the sweet nectar of Srimad-Bhagavatam and the transcendental knowledge of Bhagavad-gita all over the world. He is constantly engaged in exclusive devotional service to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, Srila Rupa Gosvami, and Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu. I offer my humble obeisances unto Srila Prabhupada, who is like a bumblebee always tasting the nectar of the lotus feet of Sri Sri Radha and Govinda."
(Composed by Swami B.S. Govinda Maharaja)
Now dear Srauti Maharaja ,please hear me out very careful , Kalki avatar does not appear in Kali yuga this is the first
misconception, and no one in Gaudiya math or any vaisnava sampradya accepts this.Please go to any Gurus and sannyasis and proper preachers in ISKCON and Gaudiya math and ask them to explain these slokas:
SB 12.2.17: Lord Viṣṇu — the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the spiritual master of all moving and nonmoving living beings, and the Supreme Soul of all — takes birth to protect the principles of religion and to relieve His saintly devotees from the reactions of material work.
SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.
SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.
SB 12.2.21: After all the impostor kings have been killed, the residents of the cities and towns will feel the breezes carrying the most sacred fragrance of the sandalwood paste and other decorations of Lord Vāsudeva, and their minds will thereby become transcendentally pure.
SB 12.2.22: When Lord Vāsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears in their hearts in His transcendental form of goodness, the remaining citizens will abundantly repopulate the earth.
SB 12.2.23: When the Supreme Lord has appeared on earth as Kalki, the maintainer of religion, Satya-yuga will begin, and human society will bring forth progeny in the mode of goodness.
SB 12.2.24: When the moon, the sun and Bṛhaspatī are together in the constellation Karkaṭa, and all three enter simultaneously into the lunar mansion Puṣyā — at that exact moment the age of Satya, or Kṛta, will begin
I can put you in touch with followers from Sri Sampraya and Madhava's in Udupi you ask the same question also.
I know you have most likely never carefully studied the 12 canto of Srimad Bhagavatam? If you did many vaisnava
commentaries are there also of the acaryas, explaining that Kalki appears in the junction of Kali and Satya yuga.Yes I am well aware of the conversation between Gopinath Acarya and Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya:
CC Madhya 6.85-86: Gopīnātha Ācārya then addressed Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya: "You are a great scholar and a teacher of many disciples. Indeed, there is no other scholar like you on earth. Nonetheless, because you are bereft of even a pinch of the Lord's mercy, you cannot understand Him, even though He is present in your home.
CC Madhya 6.87: "It is not your fault; it is the verdict of the scriptures. You cannot understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead simply by scholarship."
CC Madhya 6.88: Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya replied, "My dear Gopīnātha Ācārya, please speak with great care. What is the proof that you have received the mercy of the Lord?"
CC Madhya 6.89: Gopīnātha Ācārya replied, "Knowledge of the summum bonum, the Absolute Truth, is evidence of the mercy of the Supreme Lord."
CC Madhya 6.90: Gopīnātha Ācārya continued, "You have seen the symptoms of the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the body of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu during His absorption in an ecstatic mood.
CC Madhya 6.91: "Despite directly perceiving the symptoms of the Supreme Lord in the body of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, you cannot understand Him. This is commonly called illusion.
CC Madhya 6.92: "A person influenced by the external energy is called bahirmukha jana, a mundane person, because despite his perception, he cannot understand the real substance." Hearing Gopīnātha Ācārya say this, Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya smiled and began to speak as follows.
CC Madhya 6.93: The Bhaṭṭācārya said, "We are just having a discussion among friends and considering the points described in the scriptures. Do not become angry. I am simply speaking on the strength of the śāstras. Please don't take any offense.
CC Madhya 6.94: "Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is certainly a great, uncommon devotee, but we cannot accept Him as an incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu because, according to śāstra, there is no incarnation in this Age of Kali.
CC Madhya 6.95: "Another name for Lord Viṣṇu is Triyuga because there is no incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu in Kali-yuga. Indeed, this is the verdict of the revealed scriptures."
CC Madhya 6.96: Upon hearing this, Gopīnātha Ācārya became very unhappy. He said to the Bhaṭṭācārya, "You consider yourself the knower of all Vedic scriptures.
CC Madhya 6.97: "Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and the Mahābhārata are the two most important Vedic scriptures, but you have paid no attention to their statements.
CC Madhya 6.98: "In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and Mahābhārata it is stated that the Lord appears directly, but you say that in this age there is no manifestation or incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu.
CC Madhya 6.99: "In this Age of Kali there is no līlā-avatāra of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as Triyuga. That is one of His holy names."
CC Madhya 6.100: Gopīnātha Ācārya continued, "There is certainly an incarnation in every age, and such an incarnation is called the yuga-avatāra. But your heart has become so hardened by logic and argument that you cannot consider all these facts.
CC Madhya 6.101: "'In the past, your son has had bodies of three different colors, according to the age. These colors were white, red and yellow. In this age [Dvāpara-yuga] He has accepted a blackish body.'
CC Madhya 6.102: "'In the Age of Kali, as well as in Dvāpara-yuga, the people offer prayers to the Supreme Personality of Godhead by various mantras and observe the regulative principles of the supplementary Vedic literatures. Now please hear of this from me.
CC Madhya 6.103: "'In this Age of Kali, those who are intelligent perform the congregational chanting of the Hare Kṛṣṇamahā-mantra, worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who appears in this age always describing the glories of Kṛṣṇa. That incarnation is yellowish in hue and is always associated with His plenary expansions [such as Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu] and personal expansions [such as Gadādhara], as well as His devotees and associates [such as Svarūpa Dāmodara].'
CC Madhya 6.104: "'The Lord [in the incarnation of Gaurasundara] has a golden complexion. Indeed, His entire body, which is very nicely constituted, is like molten gold. Sandalwood pulp is smeared all over His body. He will take the fourth order of spiritual life [sannyāsa] and will be very much self-controlled. He will be distinguished from Māyāvādī sannyāsīs in that He will be fixed in devotional service and will spread the sańkīrtana movement.'"
CC Madhya 6.105: Gopīnātha Ācārya then said, "There is no need to quote so much evidence from the śāstras, for you are a very dry speculator. There is no need to sow seeds in barren land
My dear Srauti Maharaja, kindly lets see this one vers:
kali-yuge līlāvatāra nā kare bhagavān
ataeva 'tri-yuga' kari' kahi tāra nāma
CC Madhya 6.99: "In this Age of Kali there is no līlā-avatāra of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as Triyuga. That is one of His holy names.
and if we read Srila Prabhupada purport to this sloka it could appear there indeed is no Kalki avatar:
PURPORT
A līlā-avatāra is an incarnation of the Lord who performs a variety of activities without making any special endeavor. He always has one pastime after another, all full of transcendental pleasure, and these pastimes are fully controlled by the Supreme Person. The Supreme Person is totally independent of all others in these pastimes. While teaching Sanātana Gosvāmī (Cc.Madhya 20.296-298), Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu pointed out that one cannot count the number of līlā-avatāras:
līlāvatāra kṛṣṇera nā yāya gaṇana
pradhāna kariyā kahi dig-daraśana
"However," the Lord told Sanātana, "I shall explain the chief līlā-avatāras."
matsya, kūrma, raghunātha, nṛsiḿha, vāmana
varāhādi — lekhā yāńra nā yāya gaṇana
Thus the Lord's incarnations were enumerated, including Matsya, the fish incarnation; Kūrma, the tortoise; LordRāmacandra; Nṛsiḿhadeva; Vāmanadeva; and Varāha, the boar incarnation. Thus there are innumerable līlā-avatāras, and all of these exhibit wonderful pastimes. Lord Varāha, the boar incarnation, lifted the entire planet earth from the depths of the Garbhodaka Ocean. The tortoise incarnation, Lord Kūrma, became a pivot for the emulsification of the whole sea, and Lord Nṛsiḿhadeva appeared as half-man, half-lion. These are some of the wonderful and uncommon features of līlā-avatāras.
In his book Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has enumerated the following twenty-five līlā-avatāras: Catuḥ-sana,Nārada, Varāha, Matsya, Yajña, Nara-Nārāyaṇa, Kapila, Dattātreya, Hayaśīrṣa (Hayagrīva), Haḿsa, Pṛśnigarbha, Ṛṣabha, Pṛthu,Nṛsiḿha, Kūrma, Dhanvantari, Mohinī, Vāmana, Paraśurāma, Rāghavendra, Vyāsa, Balarāma, Kṛṣṇa, Buddha and Kalki.
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not mentioned as a līlā-avatāra because He is an incarnation in disguise (channa-avatāra). In this Age of Kali there are no līlā-avatāras, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Śrī CaitanyaMahāprabhu. This has been explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
So if we accept this part also: " In his book Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has enumerated the following twenty-five līlā-avatāras: Catuḥ-sana,Nārada, Varāha, Matsya, Yajña, Nara-Nārāyaṇa, Kapila, Dattātreya, Hayaśīrṣa (Hayagrīva), Haḿsa, Pṛśnigarbha, Ṛṣabha, Pṛthu,Nṛsiḿha, Kūrma, Dhanvantari, Mohinī, Vāmana, Paraśurāma, Rāghavendra, Vyāsa, Balarāma, Kṛṣṇa, Buddha and Kalki."
It certainly is clear Kalki does not appear in Kali yuga at least not in the one where Lord Gauranga appears.So how to understand these slokas?:
SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.
SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.
Narayana Maharajas conclusion is Kalki does not appear in Kali yuga or in this Kali yuga, yes I agree, but he appears in the junction of Kali and Satya,so strictly speaking there is no contradiction.Are we to assume Srila Sridhara Swami and all our acaryas are wrong in their commentaries about Kalki avatar, a carefull study of the commentaries of the acarya to SB 12 chapter 2 will show this indeed a fact.
yes it is stated also:
Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.7.38
yarhy ālayeṣv api satāḿ na hareḥ kathāḥ syuḥ
pāṣaṇḍino dvija-janā vṛṣalā nṛdevāḥ
svāhā svadhā vaṣaḍ iti sma giro na yatra
śāstā bhaviṣyati kaler bhagavān yugānte
TRANSLATION
Thereafter, at the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher castes, and when the power of government is transferred to the hands of ministers elected from the lowborn śūdra class or those less than them, and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser.
You think Srila Vyasadeva has made a mistake?
kaleḥ — of the Kali age; bhagavān — the Personality of Godhead; yuga-ante — at the end of.
I have not even started to get into explaining the Kalki Purana
kaler doṣa-nidhe rājannasti hy eko mahān guṇaḥkīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasyamukta-sańgaḥ paraḿ vrajetSB 12.3.51: My dear King, although Kali-yuga is an ocean of faults, there is still one good quality about this age: Simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, one can become free from material bondage and be promoted to the transcendental kingdom.
May you have an auspicious Balarama Purnima!
your servant
Payonidhi das
Please please accept my humble obaisences
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
You are assuming I am an offender to Narayana Maharajas lotusfeet to you and many others.I properly am an offender to all jivas
what to speak of vaisnavas like yourself and Narayana Maharaja .So you please take compassion and pray for me.Vaisnavas are the true friends of all souls.
.I can tell you this if Narayana Maharaja gives up the faulty idea there is no Kalki avatar and some of the misconceptions he has I will gladly accept the name he has given me in the past and associate with him and his sanga also.(also provided this sanga stops targeting ISKCON's congregation and devotees)
.First of all I offer my humble obaisences to all vaisnavas. to Narayana Maharaja and all his followers, to Srila Prabhupada and all his followers.First of all to make it clear Srila Prabhupada is senior than HH Narayana Maharaja and should be respected as such and he is the saktya vesa of Nityananda Prabhu,who is non different than Lord Baladeva.I know you and many others do, but some in this sanga offensively thinks Narayana Maharaja is superior to Srila Prabhupada in so many way,this is very improper and is one of the reasons I left this sanga under direct instruction of Srila Prabhupada.
(who appeared in my dreams over 5 nights and clearly instructed me to do so)
I can not tolerate for one split second ,persons that was saved by Srila Prabupadas preaching refers to him as Swamiji.He is given the
honored name Srila Prabhupada,this is accepted even by many in Gaudiya maths such as BS Govinda Maharaja that recently left this world to enter Krsnas Bhauma lilas:( he also spend time with Srila Prabhupada in Allahabad wen he was a grastha to learn Bhagavad Gita from him under the instruction of Sridhara Swami)
nama om visnupadaya krsna-presthaya bhutale
svami sri bhaktivedanta prabhupadaya te nama
gurvajnam sirasi-dharyam saktyavesa sva-rupine
hare-krsneti mantrena pascatya-pracya-tarine
visvacarya prabaryaya divya karunya murtaye
sri bhagavata-madhurya-gita-jnana-pradayine
gaura-sri-rupa-siddhanta-sarasvati nisevine
radha-krsna-padambhoja-bhrngaya gurave nama
"I offer my humble obeisances unto His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, who is very dear to Lord Krsna on this Earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet. Taking the order of his guru on his head, he became empowered by Nityananda Prabhu to act as asaktyavesa avatara. He distributed the Hare Krsna mantra all over the Eastern and Western world, delivering and uplifting all fallen souls. He is the best of millions of jagat-gurus, because he is the personification of divine mercy. He has distributed the sweet nectar of Srimad-Bhagavatam and the transcendental knowledge of Bhagavad-gita all over the world. He is constantly engaged in exclusive devotional service to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, Srila Rupa Gosvami, and Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu. I offer my humble obeisances unto Srila Prabhupada, who is like a bumblebee always tasting the nectar of the lotus feet of Sri Sri Radha and Govinda."
(Composed by Swami B.S. Govinda Maharaja)
Now dear Srauti Maharaja ,please hear me out very careful , Kalki avatar does not appear in Kali yuga this is the first
misconception, and no one in Gaudiya math or any vaisnava sampradya accepts this.Please go to any Gurus and sannyasis and proper preachers in ISKCON and Gaudiya math and ask them to explain these slokas:
SB 12.2.17: Lord Viṣṇu — the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the spiritual master of all moving and nonmoving living beings, and the Supreme Soul of all — takes birth to protect the principles of religion and to relieve His saintly devotees from the reactions of material work.
SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.
SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.
SB 12.2.21: After all the impostor kings have been killed, the residents of the cities and towns will feel the breezes carrying the most sacred fragrance of the sandalwood paste and other decorations of Lord Vāsudeva, and their minds will thereby become transcendentally pure.
SB 12.2.22: When Lord Vāsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears in their hearts in His transcendental form of goodness, the remaining citizens will abundantly repopulate the earth.
SB 12.2.23: When the Supreme Lord has appeared on earth as Kalki, the maintainer of religion, Satya-yuga will begin, and human society will bring forth progeny in the mode of goodness.
SB 12.2.24: When the moon, the sun and Bṛhaspatī are together in the constellation Karkaṭa, and all three enter simultaneously into the lunar mansion Puṣyā — at that exact moment the age of Satya, or Kṛta, will begin
I can put you in touch with followers from Sri Sampraya and Madhava's in Udupi you ask the same question also.
I know you have most likely never carefully studied the 12 canto of Srimad Bhagavatam? If you did many vaisnava
commentaries are there also of the acaryas, explaining that Kalki appears in the junction of Kali and Satya yuga.Yes I am well aware of the conversation between Gopinath Acarya and Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya:
CC Madhya 6.85-86: Gopīnātha Ācārya then addressed Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya: "You are a great scholar and a teacher of many disciples. Indeed, there is no other scholar like you on earth. Nonetheless, because you are bereft of even a pinch of the Lord's mercy, you cannot understand Him, even though He is present in your home.
CC Madhya 6.87: "It is not your fault; it is the verdict of the scriptures. You cannot understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead simply by scholarship."
CC Madhya 6.88: Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya replied, "My dear Gopīnātha Ācārya, please speak with great care. What is the proof that you have received the mercy of the Lord?"
CC Madhya 6.89: Gopīnātha Ācārya replied, "Knowledge of the summum bonum, the Absolute Truth, is evidence of the mercy of the Supreme Lord."
CC Madhya 6.90: Gopīnātha Ācārya continued, "You have seen the symptoms of the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the body of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu during His absorption in an ecstatic mood.
CC Madhya 6.91: "Despite directly perceiving the symptoms of the Supreme Lord in the body of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, you cannot understand Him. This is commonly called illusion.
CC Madhya 6.92: "A person influenced by the external energy is called bahirmukha jana, a mundane person, because despite his perception, he cannot understand the real substance." Hearing Gopīnātha Ācārya say this, Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya smiled and began to speak as follows.
CC Madhya 6.93: The Bhaṭṭācārya said, "We are just having a discussion among friends and considering the points described in the scriptures. Do not become angry. I am simply speaking on the strength of the śāstras. Please don't take any offense.
CC Madhya 6.94: "Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is certainly a great, uncommon devotee, but we cannot accept Him as an incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu because, according to śāstra, there is no incarnation in this Age of Kali.
CC Madhya 6.95: "Another name for Lord Viṣṇu is Triyuga because there is no incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu in Kali-yuga. Indeed, this is the verdict of the revealed scriptures."
CC Madhya 6.96: Upon hearing this, Gopīnātha Ācārya became very unhappy. He said to the Bhaṭṭācārya, "You consider yourself the knower of all Vedic scriptures.
CC Madhya 6.97: "Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and the Mahābhārata are the two most important Vedic scriptures, but you have paid no attention to their statements.
CC Madhya 6.98: "In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and Mahābhārata it is stated that the Lord appears directly, but you say that in this age there is no manifestation or incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu.
CC Madhya 6.99: "In this Age of Kali there is no līlā-avatāra of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as Triyuga. That is one of His holy names."
CC Madhya 6.100: Gopīnātha Ācārya continued, "There is certainly an incarnation in every age, and such an incarnation is called the yuga-avatāra. But your heart has become so hardened by logic and argument that you cannot consider all these facts.
CC Madhya 6.101: "'In the past, your son has had bodies of three different colors, according to the age. These colors were white, red and yellow. In this age [Dvāpara-yuga] He has accepted a blackish body.'
CC Madhya 6.102: "'In the Age of Kali, as well as in Dvāpara-yuga, the people offer prayers to the Supreme Personality of Godhead by various mantras and observe the regulative principles of the supplementary Vedic literatures. Now please hear of this from me.
CC Madhya 6.103: "'In this Age of Kali, those who are intelligent perform the congregational chanting of the Hare Kṛṣṇamahā-mantra, worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who appears in this age always describing the glories of Kṛṣṇa. That incarnation is yellowish in hue and is always associated with His plenary expansions [such as Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu] and personal expansions [such as Gadādhara], as well as His devotees and associates [such as Svarūpa Dāmodara].'
CC Madhya 6.104: "'The Lord [in the incarnation of Gaurasundara] has a golden complexion. Indeed, His entire body, which is very nicely constituted, is like molten gold. Sandalwood pulp is smeared all over His body. He will take the fourth order of spiritual life [sannyāsa] and will be very much self-controlled. He will be distinguished from Māyāvādī sannyāsīs in that He will be fixed in devotional service and will spread the sańkīrtana movement.'"
CC Madhya 6.105: Gopīnātha Ācārya then said, "There is no need to quote so much evidence from the śāstras, for you are a very dry speculator. There is no need to sow seeds in barren land
My dear Srauti Maharaja, kindly lets see this one vers:
kali-yuge līlāvatāra nā kare bhagavān
ataeva 'tri-yuga' kari' kahi tāra nāma
CC Madhya 6.99: "In this Age of Kali there is no līlā-avatāra of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as Triyuga. That is one of His holy names.
and if we read Srila Prabhupada purport to this sloka it could appear there indeed is no Kalki avatar:
PURPORT
A līlā-avatāra is an incarnation of the Lord who performs a variety of activities without making any special endeavor. He always has one pastime after another, all full of transcendental pleasure, and these pastimes are fully controlled by the Supreme Person. The Supreme Person is totally independent of all others in these pastimes. While teaching Sanātana Gosvāmī (Cc.Madhya 20.296-298), Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu pointed out that one cannot count the number of līlā-avatāras:
līlāvatāra kṛṣṇera nā yāya gaṇana
pradhāna kariyā kahi dig-daraśana
"However," the Lord told Sanātana, "I shall explain the chief līlā-avatāras."
matsya, kūrma, raghunātha, nṛsiḿha, vāmana
varāhādi — lekhā yāńra nā yāya gaṇana
Thus the Lord's incarnations were enumerated, including Matsya, the fish incarnation; Kūrma, the tortoise; LordRāmacandra; Nṛsiḿhadeva; Vāmanadeva; and Varāha, the boar incarnation. Thus there are innumerable līlā-avatāras, and all of these exhibit wonderful pastimes. Lord Varāha, the boar incarnation, lifted the entire planet earth from the depths of the Garbhodaka Ocean. The tortoise incarnation, Lord Kūrma, became a pivot for the emulsification of the whole sea, and Lord Nṛsiḿhadeva appeared as half-man, half-lion. These are some of the wonderful and uncommon features of līlā-avatāras.
In his book Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has enumerated the following twenty-five līlā-avatāras: Catuḥ-sana,Nārada, Varāha, Matsya, Yajña, Nara-Nārāyaṇa, Kapila, Dattātreya, Hayaśīrṣa (Hayagrīva), Haḿsa, Pṛśnigarbha, Ṛṣabha, Pṛthu,Nṛsiḿha, Kūrma, Dhanvantari, Mohinī, Vāmana, Paraśurāma, Rāghavendra, Vyāsa, Balarāma, Kṛṣṇa, Buddha and Kalki.
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not mentioned as a līlā-avatāra because He is an incarnation in disguise (channa-avatāra). In this Age of Kali there are no līlā-avatāras, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Śrī CaitanyaMahāprabhu. This has been explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
So if we accept this part also: " In his book Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has enumerated the following twenty-five līlā-avatāras: Catuḥ-sana,Nārada, Varāha, Matsya, Yajña, Nara-Nārāyaṇa, Kapila, Dattātreya, Hayaśīrṣa (Hayagrīva), Haḿsa, Pṛśnigarbha, Ṛṣabha, Pṛthu,Nṛsiḿha, Kūrma, Dhanvantari, Mohinī, Vāmana, Paraśurāma, Rāghavendra, Vyāsa, Balarāma, Kṛṣṇa, Buddha and Kalki."
It certainly is clear Kalki does not appear in Kali yuga at least not in the one where Lord Gauranga appears.So how to understand these slokas?:
SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.
SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.
Narayana Maharajas conclusion is Kalki does not appear in Kali yuga or in this Kali yuga, yes I agree, but he appears in the junction of Kali and Satya,so strictly speaking there is no contradiction.Are we to assume Srila Sridhara Swami and all our acaryas are wrong in their commentaries about Kalki avatar, a carefull study of the commentaries of the acarya to SB 12 chapter 2 will show this indeed a fact.
yes it is stated also:
Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.7.38
yarhy ālayeṣv api satāḿ na hareḥ kathāḥ syuḥ
pāṣaṇḍino dvija-janā vṛṣalā nṛdevāḥ
svāhā svadhā vaṣaḍ iti sma giro na yatra
śāstā bhaviṣyati kaler bhagavān yugānte
TRANSLATION
Thereafter, at the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher castes, and when the power of government is transferred to the hands of ministers elected from the lowborn śūdra class or those less than them, and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser.
You think Srila Vyasadeva has made a mistake?
kaleḥ — of the Kali age; bhagavān — the Personality of Godhead; yuga-ante — at the end of.
I have not even started to get into explaining the Kalki Purana
kaler doṣa-nidhe rājannasti hy eko mahān guṇaḥkīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasyamukta-sańgaḥ paraḿ vrajetSB 12.3.51: My dear King, although Kali-yuga is an ocean of faults, there is still one good quality about this age: Simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, one can become free from material bondage and be promoted to the transcendental kingdom.
May you have an auspicious Balarama Purnima!
your servant
Payonidhi das
dear Madhava Vanacari
Please accept my humble obaisences
all glories to Srila Prabhupada
Yes I did write that I disagree with Narayana Maharaja that Ramacarita Manasa should not be read and studied by pure vaisnavas as this book is tinged with Mayavada .
See http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/narada-married
I stick to that, those on the path of pure bhakti never read books mixed with mayavada .
As you know I spend time with Narayana Maharaja since 1986 when I spend a week in Kesavaji Gaudiya math
doing some seva for collecting for Janmastami souvenir for ISKCON Vrindavan.Maharaja gave me many good
instructions such as the importance of chanting more than 16 rounds daily.(actually chanting 64 rounds)
I disagree with him about few things however:
He also states there is no Kalki avatar in the end of Kali yuga that opposes Srimad Bhagavatam
and Kalki Purana, and can not be accepted as it contradict Srila Vyasadevs authority and that of the Puranas.
Maharaja accepts disciples sometimes on the spot given them diksa the next day, I have seen it and it is against the teachings of Srila Rupa and Sanatana Goswami.
The real serious problem is his disciples target ISKCON congregation all over the world, I and many others have a great problem with that.
I wish you well
your servant
Payonidhi das
Please accept my humble obaisences
all glories to Srila Prabhupada
Yes I did write that I disagree with Narayana Maharaja that Ramacarita Manasa should not be read and studied by pure vaisnavas as this book is tinged with Mayavada .
See http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/narada-married
I stick to that, those on the path of pure bhakti never read books mixed with mayavada .
As you know I spend time with Narayana Maharaja since 1986 when I spend a week in Kesavaji Gaudiya math
doing some seva for collecting for Janmastami souvenir for ISKCON Vrindavan.Maharaja gave me many good
instructions such as the importance of chanting more than 16 rounds daily.(actually chanting 64 rounds)
I disagree with him about few things however:
He also states there is no Kalki avatar in the end of Kali yuga that opposes Srimad Bhagavatam
and Kalki Purana, and can not be accepted as it contradict Srila Vyasadevs authority and that of the Puranas.
Maharaja accepts disciples sometimes on the spot given them diksa the next day, I have seen it and it is against the teachings of Srila Rupa and Sanatana Goswami.
The real serious problem is his disciples target ISKCON congregation all over the world, I and many others have a great problem with that.
I wish you well
your servant
Payonidhi das
I am very much opposed to any ISKCON devotees preaching from
Ramacarita Manasa and( in Gaudiya math), because Srila Prabhupada also was.However this book in India is very very popular almost like the Bible for "Hindus", Tulsi das also recommends a grhastha(grhamedhi in my eyes) can beat his wife:
Dola gavAMra sudra pasu nArI/
sakala tAranA ke adhikAr
"A dullard, outcaste, woman, drum and dumb beast
Must be beaten, or else they'll not serve one the least."
The New Testament is even better than Ramacarita Manasa in some ways because there is no mayavadi philosophy in the New Testament.And Jesus never condoned beating women and Sudra's.Imagine having
readings from Ramacarita Manasa that is so wrong on so many levels in ISKCON.This Ramacarita Manasa was banned by Srila Prabhupada.
"Don't divert your attention in that way. The author of Rama charita manasa,
Goswami Tulasi das, has a tint of Mayavadi philosophy. He belongs to the
Ramananda Sampradaya.
They are mixed up combination of personalist and impersonalist. Therefore,
the author is not considered as pure Vaisnava."
Narayana Maharaja forexample
believes it is bonafide ,I strongly disagree as I follow Srila Prabhupada and I know he is very right on this Tulsi das, Ramacarita manasa also is full of mayavadi ideas , because after almost each chapter it says if you worship Lord Ramachandra you become one with Him or become Him.As you and I know Lord Caitanya was very very strict with any litterature with mayavadi ideas and once rejected Mukunda, for hearing a Ramayana mixed with mayavadi ideas and even making it worse from a mayavadi.
I enclosing the vers and purport:
Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 17.65
mukunda-dattere kaila danda-parasada
khandila tahara cittera saba avasada
SYNONYMS
mukunda-dattere--unto Mukunda Datta; kaila--did; danda--punishment; parasada--benediction; khandila--vanquished; tahara--his; cittera--of the mind; saba--all kinds of; avasada--depressions.
TRANSLATION
Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu blessed Mukunda Datta with punishment and in that way vanquished all his mental depression.
PURPORT
Mukunda Datta was once forbidden to enter the association of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu because of his mixing with the Mayavadi impersonalists. When Lord Caitanya manifested His maha-prakasa, He called all the devotees one after another and blessed them, while Mukunda Datta stood outside the door. The devotees informed the Lord that Mukunda Datta was waiting outside, but the Lord replied, "I shall not soon be pleased with Mukunda Datta, for he explains devotional service among devotees, but then he goes to Mayavadis to hear from them the Yoga-vasistha-ramayana, which is full of Mayavada philosophy. For this I am greatly displeased with him." Hearing the Lord speak in that way, Mukunda Datta, standing outside, was exceedingly glad that the Lord would at some time be pleased with him, although He was not pleased at that moment. But when the Lord understood that Mukunda Datta was going to give up the association of the Mayavadis for good, He was pleased, and He at once called to see Mukunda. Thus He delivered him from the association of the Mayavadis and gave him the association of pure devotees.
As you might recall Lord Caitanya was not ready to forgive Mukunda
datta in a million births for hearing mayavadi philosophy it is mentioned in great details in Caitanya Bhagavad.So this Yoga-vasistha-ramayana is very much like Ramacarita Manasa, with mayavadi ideas.How intimate to Lord Caitanya was Mukunda Datta see CC Adi lila 10.40.Only when Mukunda Datta promised Lord Caitanya he would never hear books mixed with mayavadi philosophy again did Lord Caitanya allow Mukunda Datta into His a
assocaition again.I have elaborated on all this as this book Ramacarita Manasa only causes distress in the heart of those who
are fully pure devotees or on the path of pure Bhakti.
Ramacarita Manasa and( in Gaudiya math), because Srila Prabhupada also was.However this book in India is very very popular almost like the Bible for "Hindus", Tulsi das also recommends a grhastha(grhamedhi in my eyes) can beat his wife:
Dola gavAMra sudra pasu nArI/
sakala tAranA ke adhikAr
"A dullard, outcaste, woman, drum and dumb beast
Must be beaten, or else they'll not serve one the least."
The New Testament is even better than Ramacarita Manasa in some ways because there is no mayavadi philosophy in the New Testament.And Jesus never condoned beating women and Sudra's.Imagine having
readings from Ramacarita Manasa that is so wrong on so many levels in ISKCON.This Ramacarita Manasa was banned by Srila Prabhupada.
"Don't divert your attention in that way. The author of Rama charita manasa,
Goswami Tulasi das, has a tint of Mayavadi philosophy. He belongs to the
Ramananda Sampradaya.
They are mixed up combination of personalist and impersonalist. Therefore,
the author is not considered as pure Vaisnava."
Narayana Maharaja forexample
believes it is bonafide ,I strongly disagree as I follow Srila Prabhupada and I know he is very right on this Tulsi das, Ramacarita manasa also is full of mayavadi ideas , because after almost each chapter it says if you worship Lord Ramachandra you become one with Him or become Him.As you and I know Lord Caitanya was very very strict with any litterature with mayavadi ideas and once rejected Mukunda, for hearing a Ramayana mixed with mayavadi ideas and even making it worse from a mayavadi.
I enclosing the vers and purport:
Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 17.65
mukunda-dattere kaila danda-parasada
khandila tahara cittera saba avasada
SYNONYMS
mukunda-dattere--unto Mukunda Datta; kaila--did; danda--punishment; parasada--benediction; khandila--vanquished; tahara--his; cittera--of the mind; saba--all kinds of; avasada--depressions.
TRANSLATION
Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu blessed Mukunda Datta with punishment and in that way vanquished all his mental depression.
PURPORT
Mukunda Datta was once forbidden to enter the association of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu because of his mixing with the Mayavadi impersonalists. When Lord Caitanya manifested His maha-prakasa, He called all the devotees one after another and blessed them, while Mukunda Datta stood outside the door. The devotees informed the Lord that Mukunda Datta was waiting outside, but the Lord replied, "I shall not soon be pleased with Mukunda Datta, for he explains devotional service among devotees, but then he goes to Mayavadis to hear from them the Yoga-vasistha-ramayana, which is full of Mayavada philosophy. For this I am greatly displeased with him." Hearing the Lord speak in that way, Mukunda Datta, standing outside, was exceedingly glad that the Lord would at some time be pleased with him, although He was not pleased at that moment. But when the Lord understood that Mukunda Datta was going to give up the association of the Mayavadis for good, He was pleased, and He at once called to see Mukunda. Thus He delivered him from the association of the Mayavadis and gave him the association of pure devotees.
As you might recall Lord Caitanya was not ready to forgive Mukunda
datta in a million births for hearing mayavadi philosophy it is mentioned in great details in Caitanya Bhagavad.So this Yoga-vasistha-ramayana is very much like Ramacarita Manasa, with mayavadi ideas.How intimate to Lord Caitanya was Mukunda Datta see CC Adi lila 10.40.Only when Mukunda Datta promised Lord Caitanya he would never hear books mixed with mayavadi philosophy again did Lord Caitanya allow Mukunda Datta into His a
assocaition again.I have elaborated on all this as this book Ramacarita Manasa only causes distress in the heart of those who
are fully pure devotees or on the path of pure Bhakti.
I am not going to take reinitiation, Narayana Maharaja has given me diksa and asked me to chant 64 rounds. this chanting of one lakh daily is most essential so I preach about this based on sastra.
This is in line of Mahaprabhus teaching.So I can not take initiation from anyone junior to him in years and especailly not in spiritual advancement because despite these apasiddhantas ,I know the level of Srila Narayana Maharaja bhakti and the level of his advancement in service to Guru Gauranga and Radha Krishna.I know what he has given me, and no one can take that away from me, devas, danavas, or any member in ISKCON or Gaudiya math.To me this is what matters.I can not accept the instituional fighting betweeen the disciples of Narayaan Maharajas disciples and ISKCON
it causes me much pain to hear the insults thrown both ways, it is a fact some disciples of Narayana Maharaja target ISKCON congregation and disciples and calls ISKCON leaders for Maha demons ,and even devotees serving in ISKCON.This is not proper they are also dedicadet vaisnavas and preachers that have renounced everything to serve Srila Prabhupada and Krishna.Yes there is persons that are interested in wealth in ISKCON and Gaudiya math while being in the renounced order of life ,Srila Prabhupada also condemned this .
Srila Prabhupada wrote:
THE VANAPRASTHAS AND SANNYASIS NOWADAYS ARE THOSE WHO WERE UNSUCCESSFUL IN FAMILY LIFE. THUS THE SO-CALLED SANNYASIS TRY TO CONSTRUCT ANOTHER HOME IN THE NAME OF THE SANNYASA-ASRAMA AND GLIDE DOWN INTO ALL SORTS OF LUXURY AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS. SO ALL THESE VARNAS AND ASRAMAS HAVE NOW BECOME SO MANY TRANSCENDENTAL FRAUDS.
this is obviously not true for all sannyasis, but if one is collecting wealth as a sannyasi he is obviously not one
I am just asking wether we are in Gaudiya math or ISKCON we get along and help the Guruvarga spread KC all over the world,this is the desire of Lord Caitanya. BV Damodara Maharaja asked me for contacts in Dubai where he knows I went for preaching for ISKCON, and I told him to contact Sri Vallabha Prabhu there who is ISKCON's main representative in that area.It is not proper to target another Maths congregation and devotees ,this is just not good vaisnava behavior.I am trying to help Srila Prabhupadas ISKCON and serve him,as I have done since 1979, and Srila Prabhupada has brought me to KC like he did most .I humbly ask devotees from Narayana maharaja math not to call Jayapataka Maharaja for a Maha demon ,he had dedicadet his life in Srila Prabupadas service. He and other devotees are also trying to build the temple in Mayapure with the Vedic planetarium as Srila Prabhupada desired.I have often defended Narayana Maharaja in ISKCON, but I am also defending those who sincerly serve in ISKCON.
My prayer to the Lotus feet of Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda Prabhu is that ISKCON and all Gaudia maths can live in peace and spread KC all over the world according to proper vaisnava behavior
I offer my humble obaisences to all vaisnavas, despite the "external camp ", in Goloka Vrindavan there is no such external considerations
your servant
Paramananda das
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