Harikeśa: By chemically changing the genes in the living being we can, before conception, make a superior...
Prabhupāda: You can... First of all you be beaten with shoes. That's all. Then you can.
Harikeśa: No, we've actually done it. We've changed some genes and made some people better. By experimentation we can make people...
Prabhupāda: And your big, big cities are full with hippies. You cannot induce them to give up their LSD, and you are making better men. Better men is going to become worse. Just see how cheating.
Harikeśa: Oh, you mean once we make the better men they'll just degrade again.
Prabhupāda: Simply bogus propaganda. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: ...that their educational system has failed. Therefore they...
Prabhupāda: Yes. They should close the universities and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So by birth they want to make better men. They can't make them by culture.
Prabhupāda: No, culture... They adopt real culture. What do they know about culture? They're killing their own children in the womb, and they're cultured? Worse than the animals. The animals do not do that. These rascals, they are cultured? So wretched and fallen, and they are claiming to be cultured.
Harikeśa: So you can't culture a superior man unless you are one yourself.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Harikeśa: It's not possible to culture a superior man unless you are one yourself.
Prabhupāda: Yes. First of all be yourself a cultured man, a gentleman. You are worse than animals. What animals cannot do, you are doing. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) ...man is defined by Cāṇakya Paṇḍit.
- mātṛvat para-dāreṣu
- para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat
- ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu
- yaḥ paśyati sa paṇḍitaḥ
Here is culture. First thing is, any woman except one's own wife.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: What is that, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Any woman should be looked upon as mother. This is culture. Except his married wife, all women should be treated as mother. The brahmacārīs were taught like that, "Mother." This is culture. Simply they are trying to elope other's wife, other's woman, exploit them. And they're cultured. There is no culture at the present moment. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat: "And others' money should be treated just like pebbles in the street." Nobody cares for it. So they are simply making plans how to grab others' money. And Ātmavat sarva bhūteṣu: "And if you feel pains and pleasure, you should consider for others also." If your throat is cut, then do you feel very happy? Why you are cutting the throats of the poor animals? Where is culture? There is no culture. Simply rogues and thieves and rascals and fools. Where is culture? They do not know what is the meaning of culture. Here is culture, three words:
- mātṛvat para-dāreṣu
- para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat
- ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu
- yaḥ paśyati sa paṇḍitaḥ
He is cultured.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Otherwise just animal.
Prabhupāda: Simply animal.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: It is very logical.
Devotee: Śrīla Prabhupāda, should we call all the women "mother"?
Prabhupāda: Yes. And treat it like mother. Not only call, but treat it like mother.
Harikeśa: Actually we have not even any idea how to treat mother.
Prabhupāda: Learn it. At least mother should not be proposed for sex. This much you can learn. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat, ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu. (break)
What is this sloka Prabhupada quoted:
mātṛvat para-dāreṣupara-dravyeṣu loṣṭravatātmavat sarva-bhūteṣuyaḥ paśyati sa paṇḍitaḥSrila Prabhupada has quoted it in for example SB 9.10.27
: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 9.10.27 spoken by Ravanas wife Mandodari:
SYNONYMS
na — not; vai — indeed; veda — did know; mahā-bhāga — O greatly fortunate one; bhavān — yourself; kāma-vaśam — influenced by lusty ; gataḥ — having become; tejaḥ — by influence; anubhāvam — as a result of such influence; sītāyāḥ — of mother Sītā; yena — by which; nītaḥ — brought into; daśām — condition; imām — like this (destruction).
O greatly fortunate one, you came under the influence of lusty desires, and therefore you could not understand the influence of mother Sītā. Now, because of her curse, you have been reduced to this state, having been killed by Lord Rāmacandra.
PURPORT
Not only was mother Sītā powerful, but any woman who follows in the footsteps of mother Sītā can also become similarly powerful. There are many instances of this in the history of Vedic literature. Whenever we find a description of ideal chaste women, mother Sītā is among them. Mandodarī, the wife of Rāvaṇa, was also very chaste. Similarly, Draupadī was one of five exalted chaste women. As a man must follow great personalities like Brahmā and Nārada, a woman must follow the path of such ideal women as Sītā, Mandodarī and Draupadī. By staying chaste and faithful to her husband, a woman enriches herself with supernatural power. It is a moral principle that one should not be influenced by lusty desires for another's wife. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu: an intelligent person must look upon another's wife as being like his mother. This is a moral injunction from Cāṇakya-śloka (10).
"One who considers another's wife as his mother, another's possessions as a lump of dirt and treats all other living beings as he would himself, is considered to be learned."
Thus Rāvaṇa was condemned not only by Lord Rāmacandra but even by his own wife, Mandodarī. Because she was a chaste woman, she knew the power of another chaste woman, especially such a wife as mother Sītādevī.
There is 8 kind of mothers according to sastra:
SB 1.11.28, Translation and Purport:
After entering the house of His father, He was embraced by the mothers present, and the Lord offered His obeisances unto them by placing His head at their feet. The mothers were headed by Devakī (His real mother).
It appears that Vasudeva, the father of Lord Kṛṣṇa, had completely separate residential quarters where he lived with his eighteen wives, out of whom Śrīmatī Devakī is the real mother of Lord Kṛṣṇa. But in spite of this, all other stepmothers were equally affectionate to Him, as will be evident from the following verse. Lord Kṛṣṇa also did not distinguish His real mother from His stepmothers, and He equally offered His obeisances unto all the wives of Vasudeva present on the occasion. According to scriptures also, there are seven mothers: (1) the real mother, (2) the wife of the spiritual master, (3) the wife of a brāhmaṇa, (4) the wife of the king, (5) the cow, (6) the nurse, and (7) the earth. All of them are mothers. Even by this injunction of the śāstras, the stepmother, who is the wife of the father, is also as good as the mother because the father is also one of the spiritual masters. Lord Kṛṣṇa, the Lord of the universe, plays the part of an ideal son just to teach others how to treat their stepmothers.
Note that Srila Prabhupada sometimes said all women must be seen as mothers.There is certain women they are like Ravanas sister , Suparnaka: Laxmana and Lord Ramachandra saw her like a mother ,but she insisted to marry one of them, similarly sometimes "Supanarka disciples" of some ISKCON Gurus try to marry brahmacaries and sannyasis not interested in them and do the best drag them down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surpanakha
Lecture on SB 6.1.22 -- Chicago, July 6, 1975:
So this dvija, as soon as he contacted a prostitute... Prostitute, unchaste, puṁścalī. Another name is puṁścalī. Those who are, I mean to say, moved by another person, they are called puṁścalī. They become captivated by another person. So they, another name is prostitute. So this dvija, although he was initiated to make further progress to become brāhmaṇa and Vaiṣṇava, in the middle, he contacted one prostitute. Young man, he became a victim. Therefore kaścid dāsī-patiḥ, contacted and remained as husband, wife, or friend. So by the contact of this prostitute, the result was naṣṭa-sadācāra, he became lost of all gentle activities. Naṣṭa-sadācāra. Sadācāra means... Sat means gentle, and ācāra means behavior, gentleman's behavior. What is that gentleman's behavior? That we teach, that "You don't take meat, don't have illicit sex, no gambling, no intoxication, rise early in the morning, take , chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, attend maṅgala-ārātrika." These are called sadācāra. So on account of his contact with this prostitute, although he was born in a brāhmaṇa family and he was reformed up to the point of initiation, he fell a victim. And as soon as he fell victim to that prostitute, naṣṭa-sadācāra. Dāsyāḥ saṁ... Why sadācāra, why he should lose? Dāsyāḥ saṁsarga-dūṣitaḥ. Because he is associating with this prostitute, therefore the next sequence is that he should be bereft of all gentle behavior.
Therefore to create a first-class man, it requires great endeavor. It is not that you go to a school, , and learn and smoke and do all nonsense, and you become elevated. It is a fourth-class, fifth-class... The modern educational system is producing not only fourth... Fourth class is also gentle, fifth-class, sixth-class. Fifth-class, sixth-class... The education means... What is the education? What is the symptom of education? That is described by Cāṇakya Paṇḍita, mātṛvat para-dāreṣu. The first educational symptom is that except one's own wife, any woman is mother. This is the first symptom of education. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat. And other's property and money is just like garbage in the... Not very many years, say, about hundred years ago... You have heard the name, the Kashmir state. The Kashmir state was so strict, if somebody had stolen others' property and it is proved, the thief's hands will be cut off. Still, I think, in Arabia there is. This is a strict law. So if some golden is lying on the street, out of this fear—and people were simple at the time—they will not touch. Exactly like garbage they will not touch. It was lying on the street. The law was that nobody should touch. If some golden ornament is there, the actual proprietor, he will come and pick it up. You do not require to assist him also, taking, "I shall..." No, you cannot touch. If you touch, your hands will be cut off. So if one learns this habit, that others' property, others' money is just like garbage, nobody touches... Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat, ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu. And one who thinks like himself sarva-bhū..., all living entities. What is that? If I prick you, then you feel some pain, so why should you prick others? This is called ātmavat. What you feel yourself... If somebody cuts your throat, do you feel very happy? No. Then why should you cut throat of others, other animals or human beings? So these three things, Cāṇakya Paṇḍita has said that this is, if one has learned these three things, he is learned. Not that he has got a university degrees, no. Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu para-dravyeṣu loṣṭravat, ātmavat sarva-bhūteṣu.
Please note there is vedic example how one chaste wife stopped the sun from setting to protect a degraded husband.Krsna has also described that women can have beautiful qualities when they are KC.
Bhagavad Gita 10.34:
Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 10.34
udbhavaś ca bhaviṣyatām
SYNONYMS
mṛtyuḥ — death; sarva-haraḥ — all-devouring; ca — also; aham — I am; udbhavaḥ — generation; ca — also; bhaviṣyatām — of future manifestations; kīrtiḥ — fame; śrīḥ — opulence or beauty; vāk — fine speech; ca — also; nārīṇām — of women; smṛtiḥ — memory; medhā — intelligence; dhṛtiḥ — firmness; kṣamā — patience.
I am all-devouring death, and I am the generating principle of all that is yet to be. Among women I am fame, fortune, fine speech, memory, intelligence, steadfastness and patience.
PURPORT
As soon as a man is born, he dies at every moment. Thus death is devouring every living entity at every moment, but the last stroke is called death itself. That death is Kṛṣṇa. As for future development, all living entities undergo six basic changes. They are born, they grow, they for some time, they reproduce, they dwindle, and finally they vanish. Of these changes, the first is deliverance from the womb, and that is Kṛṣṇa. The first generation is the beginning of all future activities.
The seven opulences listed — fame, fortune, fine speech, memory, intelligence, steadfastness and patience — are considered feminine. If a person possesses all of them or some of them he becomes glorious. If a man is famous as a righteous man, that makes him glorious. Sanskrit is a perfect language and is therefore very glorious. If after studying one can remember a subject matter, he is gifted with a good memory, or smṛti. And the ability not only to read many books on different subject matters but to understand them and them when necessary is intelligence (medhā), another opulence. The ability to overcome unsteadiness is called firmness or steadfastness (dhṛti). And when one is fully qualified yet is humble and gentle, and when one is able to keep his balance both in sorrow and in the ecstasy of joy, he has the opulence called patience (kṣamā).
Rudra Vaisnava Sampradaya:
Of annihilators Lord Krishna's vibhuti or divine, transcendental opulence is mrtyah or death which annihilates all memories and remembrance. Of the six transformations of the body that lead up to death His vibhuti is birth the first. Of women Lord Krishna's vibhuti is kirti meaning excellent reputation, srir means lustrous beauty, vak means articulate speech, smrtir means good memory, medha means discerning intelligence, dhritih is patient fortitude and ksamais causeless foregivness. These are the seven qualities of a virtuous and by just possessing even a reflection of these qualities one becomes praiseworthy. |
Brahma Vaisnava Sampradaya:
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Sri Vaisnava Sampradaya:
Lord Krishna reveals that of destroyers His vibhuti or divine, transcendental opulence is mrtyuh or death, the great terminator of life in all material existences. Of the eight transformations of physical existence His vibhuti is the first known as birth. And His vibhuti is all of the seven feminine perfections being kirtih or exalted reputation, srir or lustrous beauty, vak or articulate speech, smrtih or excellent memory, medha or discerning intelligence, dhrtih or fortitude and kasmaor forgiveness. |
Kumara Vaisnava Sampradaya:
Among annihilators Lord Krishna's vibhuti or divine, transcendental opulence is myrtuh or all devouring death. Of the seven transformations of the physical body His vibhuti is birth. Of the seven feminine qualities of utmost virtue His vibhuticomprises them all as described. |
Visnuswami
Madhvacarya
Ramanuja
NimbadityaWe should remember that all women and men are created in the image of Radha Krsna ,then if we do so we can do noone any wrong,if we forget then that is a problem .
vaisnava das anu das
Paramananda das
see also http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/everybody-is-in-the-touc...
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