seeing through the eyes of scriptures
Calm down and hear me out!
Srauti Maharaja from Narayana Maharaja math wrote me:
All Gaudiya Matha Acaryas have agreed that as Caitanya mahaprabhu appears in Kali Yuga
Kalki avatara appeared with him, beeing present in His body. Mahaprabhu is Avatari,and as he appears Kalkiavatara will not independently, there is no need of a second descent as He is already in Mahaprabhu's body.
Once again your lack of sadhu sanga proves that you don't know anything only reading sastra externally. The fact that you are not initiate deprives you from entering in the secret truth of these sastras. If you come near to SrilaNarayana he will prove that you don't know anything that you have not understood the scriptures, that in spiritual matters you are a bay without teeth even;
I have ask you noy to write anymore, but you cannot even do that. You blasfame a Vaisnava,and say I am not a gentleman. Your blindness is unlimited. Poor fool.
dear Srauti Maharaja
Please please accept my humble obaisences
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
You are assuming I am an offender to Narayana Maharajas lotusfeet to you and many others.I properly am an offender to all jivas
what to speak of vaisnavas like yourself and Narayana Maharaja .So you please take compassion and pray for me.Vaisnavas are the true friends of all souls.
.I can tell you this if Narayana Maharaja gives up the faulty idea there is no Kalki avatar and some of the misconceptions he has I will gladly accept the name he has given me in the past and associate with him and his sanga also.(also provided this sanga stops targeting ISKCON's congregation and devotees)
.First of all I offer my humble obaisences to all vaisnavas. to Narayana Maharaja and all his followers, to Srila Prabhupada and all his followers.First of all to make it clear Srila Prabhupada is senior than Narayana Maharaja and should be respected as such and he is the saktya vesa of Nityananda Prabhu,who is non different than Lord Baladeva.I know you and many others do, but some in this sanga offensively thinks Narayana Maharaja is superior to Srila Prabhupada in so many way,this is very improper and is one of the reasons I left this sanga under direct instruction of Srila Prabhupada.
(who appeared in my dreams over 5 nights and clearly instructed me to do so)
I can not tolerate for one split second ,persons that was saved by Srila Prabupadas preaching refers to him as Swamiji.He is given the
honored name Srila Prabhupada,this is accepted even by many in Gaudiya maths such as BS Govinda Maharaja that recently left this world to enter Krsnas Bhauma lilas:( he also spend time with Srila Prabhupada in Allahabad wen he was a grastha to learn Bhagavad Gita from him under the instruction of Sridhara Swami)
nama om visnupadaya krsna-presthaya bhutale
svami sri bhaktivedanta prabhupadaya te nama
gurvajnam sirasi-dharyam saktyavesa sva-rupine
hare-krsneti mantrena pascatya-pracya-tarine
visvacarya prabaryaya divya karunya murtaye
sri bhagavata-madhurya-gita-jnana-pradayine
gaura-sri-rupa-siddhanta-sarasvati nisevine
radha-krsna-padambhoja-bhrngaya gurave nama
"I offer my humble obeisances unto His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, who is very dear to Lord Krsna on this Earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet. Taking the order of his guru on his head, he became empowered by Nityananda Prabhu to act as asaktyavesa avatara. He distributed the Hare Krsna mantra all over the Eastern and Western world, delivering and uplifting all fallen souls. He is the best of millions of jagat-gurus, because he is the personification of divine mercy. He has distributed the sweet nectar of Srimad-Bhagavatam and the transcendental knowledge of Bhagavad-gita all over the world. He is constantly engaged in exclusive devotional service to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, Srila Rupa Gosvami, and Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu. I offer my humble obeisances unto Srila Prabhupada, who is like a bumblebee always tasting the nectar of the lotus feet of Sri Sri Radha and Govinda."
(Composed by Swami B.S. Govinda Maharaja)
Now dear Srauti Maharaja ,please hear me out very careful , Kalki avatar does not appear in Kali yuga this is the first
misconception, and no one in Gaudiya math or any vaisnava sampradya accepts this.Please go to any Gurus and sannyasis and proper preachers in ISKCON and Gaudiya math and ask them to explain these slokas:
SB 12.2.17: Lord Viṣṇu — the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the spiritual master of all moving and nonmoving living beings, and the Supreme Soul of all — takes birth to protect the principles of religion and to relieve His saintly devotees from the reactions of material work.
SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.
SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.
SB 12.2.21: After all the impostor kings have been killed, the residents of the cities and towns will feel the breezes carrying the most sacred fragrance of the sandalwood paste and other decorations of Lord Vāsudeva, and their minds will thereby become transcendentally pure.
SB 12.2.22: When Lord Vāsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears in their hearts in His transcendental form of goodness, the remaining citizens will abundantly repopulate the earth.
SB 12.2.23: When the Supreme Lord has appeared on earth as Kalki, the maintainer of religion, Satya-yuga will begin, and human society will bring forth progeny in the mode of goodness.
SB 12.2.24: When the moon, the sun and Bṛhaspatī are together in the constellation Karkaṭa, and all three enter simultaneously into the lunar mansion Puṣyā — at that exact moment the age of Satya, or Kṛta, will begin
I can put you in touch with followers from Sri Sampraya and Madhava's in Udupi you ask the same question also.
I know you have most likely never carefully studied the 12 canto of Srimad Bhagavatam? If you did many vaisnava
commentaries are there also of the acaryas, explaining that Kalki appears in the junction of Kali and Satya yuga.Yes I am well aware of the conversation between Gopinath Acarya and Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya:
CC Madhya 6.85-86: Gopīnātha Ācārya then addressed Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya: "You are a great scholar and a teacher of many disciples. Indeed, there is no other scholar like you on earth. Nonetheless, because you are bereft of even a pinch of the Lord's mercy, you cannot understand Him, even though He is present in your home.
CC Madhya 6.87: "It is not your fault; it is the verdict of the scriptures. You cannot understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead simply by scholarship."
CC Madhya 6.88: Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya replied, "My dear Gopīnātha Ācārya, please speak with great care. What is the proof that you have received the mercy of the Lord?"
CC Madhya 6.89: Gopīnātha Ācārya replied, "Knowledge of the summum bonum, the Absolute Truth, is evidence of the mercy of the Supreme Lord."
CC Madhya 6.90: Gopīnātha Ācārya continued, "You have seen the symptoms of the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the body of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu during His absorption in an ecstatic mood.
CC Madhya 6.91: "Despite directly perceiving the symptoms of the Supreme Lord in the body of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, you cannot understand Him. This is commonly called illusion.
CC Madhya 6.92: "A person influenced by the external energy is called bahirmukha jana, a mundane person, because despite his perception, he cannot understand the real substance." Hearing Gopīnātha Ācārya say this, Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya smiled and began to speak as follows.
CC Madhya 6.93: The Bhaṭṭācārya said, "We are just having a discussion among friends and considering the points described in the scriptures. Do not become angry. I am simply speaking on the strength of the śāstras. Please don't take any offense.
CC Madhya 6.94: "Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is certainly a great, uncommon devotee, but we cannot accept Him as an incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu because, according to śāstra, there is no incarnation in this Age of Kali.
CC Madhya 6.95: "Another name for Lord Viṣṇu is Triyuga because there is no incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu in Kali-yuga. Indeed, this is the verdict of the revealed scriptures."
CC Madhya 6.96: Upon hearing this, Gopīnātha Ācārya became very unhappy. He said to the Bhaṭṭācārya, "You consider yourself the knower of all Vedic scriptures.
CC Madhya 6.97: "Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and the Mahābhārata are the two most important Vedic scriptures, but you have paid no attention to their statements.
CC Madhya 6.98: "In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and Mahābhārata it is stated that the Lord appears directly, but you say that in this age there is no manifestation or incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu.
CC Madhya 6.99: "In this Age of Kali there is no līlā-avatāra of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as Triyuga. That is one of His holy names."
CC Madhya 6.100: Gopīnātha Ācārya continued, "There is certainly an incarnation in every age, and such an incarnation is called the yuga-avatāra. But your heart has become so hardened by logic and argument that you cannot consider all these facts.
CC Madhya 6.101: "'In the past, your son has had bodies of three different colors, according to the age. These colors were white, red and yellow. In this age [Dvāpara-yuga] He has accepted a blackish body.'
CC Madhya 6.102: "'In the Age of Kali, as well as in Dvāpara-yuga, the people offer prayers to the Supreme Personality of Godhead by various mantras and observe the regulative principles of the supplementary Vedic literatures. Now please hear of this from me.
CC Madhya 6.103: "'In this Age of Kali, those who are intelligent perform the congregational chanting of the Hare Kṛṣṇamahā-mantra, worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who appears in this age always describing the glories of Kṛṣṇa. That incarnation is yellowish in hue and is always associated with His plenary expansions [such as Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu] and personal expansions [such as Gadādhara], as well as His devotees and associates [such as Svarūpa Dāmodara].'
CC Madhya 6.104: "'The Lord [in the incarnation of Gaurasundara] has a golden complexion. Indeed, His entire body, which is very nicely constituted, is like molten gold. Sandalwood pulp is smeared all over His body. He will take the fourth order of spiritual life [sannyāsa] and will be very much self-controlled. He will be distinguished from Māyāvādī sannyāsīs in that He will be fixed in devotional service and will spread the sańkīrtana movement.'"
CC Madhya 6.105: Gopīnātha Ācārya then said, "There is no need to quote so much evidence from the śāstras, for you are a very dry speculator. There is no need to sow seeds in barren land
My dear Srauti Maharaja, kindly lets see this one vers:
kali-yuge līlāvatāra nā kare bhagavān
ataeva 'tri-yuga' kari' kahi tāra nāma
CC Madhya 6.99: "In this Age of Kali there is no līlā-avatāra of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as Triyuga. That is one of His holy names.
and if we read Srila Prabhupada purport to this sloka it could appear there indeed is no Kalki avatar:
PURPORT
A līlā-avatāra is an incarnation of the Lord who performs a variety of activities without making any special endeavor. He always has one pastime after another, all full of transcendental pleasure, and these pastimes are fully controlled by the Supreme Person. The Supreme Person is totally independent of all others in these pastimes. While teaching Sanātana Gosvāmī (Cc.Madhya 20.296-298), Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu pointed out that one cannot count the number of līlā-avatāras:
līlāvatāra kṛṣṇera nā yāya gaṇana
pradhāna kariyā kahi dig-daraśana
"However," the Lord told Sanātana, "I shall explain the chief līlā-avatāras."
matsya, kūrma, raghunātha, nṛsiḿha, vāmana
varāhādi — lekhā yāńra nā yāya gaṇana
Thus the Lord's incarnations were enumerated, including Matsya, the fish incarnation; Kūrma, the tortoise; LordRāmacandra; Nṛsiḿhadeva; Vāmanadeva; and Varāha, the boar incarnation. Thus there are innumerable līlā-avatāras, and all of these exhibit wonderful pastimes. Lord Varāha, the boar incarnation, lifted the entire planet earth from the depths of the Garbhodaka Ocean. The tortoise incarnation, Lord Kūrma, became a pivot for the emulsification of the whole sea, and Lord Nṛsiḿhadeva appeared as half-man, half-lion. These are some of the wonderful and uncommon features of līlā-avatāras.
In his book Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has enumerated the following twenty-five līlā-avatāras: Catuḥ-sana,Nārada, Varāha, Matsya, Yajña, Nara-Nārāyaṇa, Kapila, Dattātreya, Hayaśīrṣa (Hayagrīva), Haḿsa, Pṛśnigarbha, Ṛṣabha, Pṛthu,Nṛsiḿha, Kūrma, Dhanvantari, Mohinī, Vāmana, Paraśurāma, Rāghavendra, Vyāsa, Balarāma, Kṛṣṇa, Buddha and Kalki.
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not mentioned as a līlā-avatāra because He is an incarnation in disguise (channa-avatāra). In this Age of Kali there are no līlā-avatāras, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Śrī CaitanyaMahāprabhu. This has been explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
So if we accept this part also: " In his book Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has enumerated the following twenty-five līlā-avatāras: Catuḥ-sana,Nārada, Varāha, Matsya, Yajña, Nara-Nārāyaṇa, Kapila, Dattātreya, Hayaśīrṣa (Hayagrīva), Haḿsa, Pṛśnigarbha, Ṛṣabha, Pṛthu,Nṛsiḿha, Kūrma, Dhanvantari, Mohinī, Vāmana, Paraśurāma, Rāghavendra, Vyāsa, Balarāma, Kṛṣṇa, Buddha and Kalki."
It certainly is clear Kalki does not appear in Kali yuga at least not in the one where Lord Gauranga appears.So how to understand these slokas?:
SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.
SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.
Narayana Maharajas conclusion is Kalki does not appear in Kali yuga or in this Kali yuga, yes I agree, but he appears in the junction of Kali and Satya,so strictly speaking there is no contradiction.Are we to assume Srila Sridhara Swami and all our acaryas are wrong in their commentaries about Kalki avatar
yes it is stated also:
Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.7.38
yarhy ālayeṣv api satāḿ na hareḥ kathāḥ syuḥ
pāṣaṇḍino dvija-janā vṛṣalā nṛdevāḥ
svāhā svadhā vaṣaḍ iti sma giro na yatra
śāstā bhaviṣyati kaler bhagavān yugānte
TRANSLATION
Thereafter, at the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher castes, and when the power of government is transferred to the hands of ministers elected from the lowborn śūdra class or those less than them, and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser.
You think Srila Vyasadeva has made a mistake?
kaleḥ — of the Kali age; bhagavān — the Personality of Godhead; yuga-ante — at the end of.
I have not even started to get into explaining the Kalki Purana
kaler doṣa-nidhe rājannasti hy eko mahān guṇaḥkīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasyamukta-sańgaḥ paraḿ vrajetSB 12.3.51: My dear King, although Kali-yuga is an ocean of faults, there is still one good quality about this age: Simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, one can become free from material bondage and be promoted to the transcendental kingdom.
May you have an auspicious Balarama Purnima!
your servant
Payonidhi das
There is no question of leaving our society(ISKCON.) One may think like that but I cannot allow you to leave. That is my inspiration. Those who have left the society I am always thinking of them." - Srila Prabhupada (Letter to: Upendra — Nairobi 9 October, 1971)
Srila Prabhupada has requested I stay in ISKCON ,I do sometimes go an pay my respects in Mathura or Navadvipa also to the maths there when I do Parikrama,some devotees have kept their initiated names given by them by Narayana Maharaja such as Mukunda Datta Prabhu the head pujari at ISKCON Krsna Balarama mandir, he is also allowed to give classes of Srimad Bhagavatam there.I would have no problem keeping the name Paramananda das as given to me by Narayana Maharaja if Maharaja will kindly desist from speaking like this and accept the version of Srimad Bhagavatam as it is.
I have often defended Narayana Maharaja in ISKCON though certainly many does not like that, but I try to be fair according to the teachings of Lord Caitanya and Srila Prabhupada and our acaryas
What I have written in this article is very fair and truthful ,see also:
To you I may be a spiritual baby without teeth as long as I am Srila Prabhupadas's baby,it is fine with.He brought me to KC
has maintained my KC in so many years,I daily have his sanga through his lectures and books, to me he is not dead maybe to you? I am no ritvik, but do not have the benefit of what you people call the "living Guru" .There is many persons in Narayana Math also (that live outside, that smoke pot also, so it is all not that great, your sanga is far from perfect,to you
these neophytes are better than me because they come around Narayana Maharaja and have illict sex and smoke weed?
They are really his disciples because they took initiation the next day after they met him and accepted him as "Messiah"
though they stilll engage in illict sex and smoke weed, please stop acting like a born again christian fanatic.
( some former Gurukulis "socalled in ISKCON" also do this and pretend they are devotees and tell others while they smoke weed they are Hare Krishnas_)
I have been initiated twice and diksa is not so important as siksa, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura rejected his diksa Guru Bipin Bihari because he was teaching bogus things:
Song Name: Diksa Guru Krpa Kori
Official Name: Upadesa Introduction
Author: Bhaktivinoda Thakura
Book Name: Kalyana Kalpataru
Language: Bengali
LYRICS
(1)
diksa-guru-krpa kori mantra-upadesa
koriya dekhan krsna-tattver nirdesa
(2)
siksa-guru-brnda krpa koriya apar
sadhake sikhan sadhaner anga-sar
(3)
siksa-guru-gana-pade koriya pranati
upadesa-mala boli nija manah-prati
TRANSLATION
1) The initiating spiritual master shows his causeless mercy by giving his disciples instructions in chanting the hari-nama mantra. By so doing he points the disciples towards the direction of the truths pertaining to the Supreme Lord Sri Krsna.
2) But I consider the numerous instructing spiritual masters to be more important, for they show unlimitedly more mercy by training the neophyte devotees in all the essential aspects of practical, regulative devotional service (sadhana-bhakti).
3) Therefore, offering my prostrated obeisances unto the lotus feet of all instructing spiritual masters, I will now narrate this garland of different types of spiritual advice, which will all be directed towards my own mind.
As for Diksa ,Narayana Maharaja told me in 1986 to 89 many times about the importance of Chanting 64 rounds ,that I strictly do, do you?, Though a sannyasi disciple of him and refuse to do so?You have not taken
real diksa,diksa without chanting 64 rounds is for kanistha bhaktas, this is your level sadly.I do pray for you advancement in KC.....Jaya Baladeva
When you take real shelter of Srila Prabhupada and Nama Prabhu you will understand these things,why have you rejected your "Swami" ,Srila Prabhupada and accepted another "Swami".Like a protitute.Why have you rejected the commentaries of Srila Sridhara Swami to SB 12.chapter 2 ? Have you become a prostitute?
Being a neophyte spiritual baby is ok , but not being a "spiritual prostitute", in this sanga sadly there is much of both ,though you all hate ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada.....?You hate Srila Vyasadeva because you have chosen Narayana Maharaja over Srila Vyasadeva....the fact is practically all of Gaudiya Math calls Narayana Maharajas
math "sahajiya mandir" , you ask and will be very surprised...teaching manjari bhava to potheads is not KC,first teach them to give up illicit sex and drugs .Some have this "living Guru" (as if a bonafide Guru ever dies?)
Some discipels of Gaura Govinda Swami travelled with him everywhere to hear from him ,I properly learned more from him than most , because I was sincere, and in my heart is one of my siksa Gurus, but I never started a fist fight in Boston temple as one devotee did, and maharaja chastised him severly ,instead I went on bookdistribution as instructed by Srila Prabhupada.I never had to much times with the "living Gurus" because I have been distributing Srila Prabupadas books most of my life, I vowed this to Srila Prabhupada,before I had even had much association with devotees,I want to distribute his book to help others, and am ready to do this
birth after birth, with or without the living Guru you talk about ,I have Srila Prabhupadas lotusfeet it is enough for me.
JAYA KRSNA BALARAMA
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/are-we-really-in-iskcon
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/where-is-my-shyamsundara-1
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/please-keep-me-out-of
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/who-to-take-shelter-ofit-is
This is my response to the GBC paper of -is about Narayana Maharaja ,this also explains my current external view on Guru tattva:
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/response-to-gbc-paper-about ;
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/narayana-maharaja-on-the...
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All Gaudiya Matha Acaryas have agreed that as Caitanya mahaprabhu appears in Kali Yuga
Kalki avatara appeared with him, beeing present in His body. Mahaprabhu is Avatari,and as he appears Kalki avatara will not independently, there is no need of a second descent as He is already in Mahaprabhu's body.
Once again your lack of sadhu sanga proves that you don't know anything only reading sastra externally. The fact that you are not initiate deprives you from entering in the secret truth of these sastras. If you come near to Srila Narayana he will prove that you don't know anything that you have not understood the scriptures, that in spiritual matters you are a bay without teeth even;
I have ask you noy to write anymore, but you cannot even do that. You blasfame a Vaisnava,and say I am not a gentleman. Your blindness is unlimited. Poor fool.
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Date: Mardi 24 août 2010, 2h03
these points alone makes Narayana Maharaja unfit to be a Guru
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Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:57 pm
Subject: this is a nice email but you do not talk from sastra only from ahankara,defeat it by sastra, but you can not so you are not a gentle man even
dear Madhava Vanacari
Please accept my humble obaisences
all glories to Srila Prabhupada
Yes I did write that I disagree with Narayana Maharaja that Ramacarita Manasa should not be read and studied by pure vaisnavas as this book is tinged with Mayavada .
See http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/narada-married
I stick to that, those on the path of pure bhakti never read books mixed with mayavada .
As you know I spend time with Narayana Maharaja since 1986 when I spend a week in Kesavaji Gaudiya math
doing some seva for collecting for Janmastami souvenir for ISKCON Vrindavan.Maharaja gave me many good
instructions such as the importance of chanting more than 16 rounds daily.
I disagree with him about few things however:
He also states there is no Kalki avatar in the end of Kali yuga that opposes Srimad Bhagavatam
and Kalki Purana, and can not be accepted as it contradict Srila Vyasadevs authority and that of the Puranas.
Maharaja accepts disciples sometimes on the spot given them diksa the next day, I have seen it and it is against the teachings of Srila Rupa and Sanatana Goswami.
The real serious problem is his disciples target ISKCON congregation all over the world, I and many others have a great problem with that.
I wish you well
your servant
Payonidhi das
my pranams to Srila Prabhupada and his Guru Maharaja that was very strict:
namaste gaura-vani-sri-murtaye dina-tarine
rupanuga-viruddhapasiddhanta-dhvanta-harine
"I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement which is against the siddhanta enunciated by Srila Rupa Goswami."
nikhila-bhuvana-maya-chinnavichina-kartri
vibudha-bahula-mrgya-mukti-mohanta-dhatri
sithilita-vidhi-raga-radhya-radhesa-dhani
vilasatu hrdi nityam bhaktisiddhanta vani
"With his first step, He cut to pieces the whole plane of exploitation, and with his second, he crushed the speculation of scholars of salvation and liberation. With his third, he softened vaidhi bhakti with a touch of divine love (raga marga). Taking us beyond Vaikuntha, he has introduced us to the highest worship of Sri Radha and Govinda.
All Gaudiya Matha Acaryas have agreed that as Caitanya mahaprabhu appears in Kali Yuga
Kalki avatara appeared with him, beeing present in His body. Mahaprabhu is Avatari,and as he appears Kalkiavatara will not independently, there is no need of a second descent as He is already in Mahaprabhu's body.
Once again your lack of sadhu sanga proves that you don't know anything only reading sastra externally. The fact that you are not initiate deprives you from entering in the secret truth of these sastras. If you come near to SrilaNarayana he will prove that you don't know anything that you have not understood the scriptures, that in spiritual matters you are a bay without teeth even;
I have ask you noy to write anymore, but you cannot even do that. You blasfame a Vaisnava,and say I am not a gentleman. Your blindness is unlimited. Poor fool.
dear Srauti Maharaja
Please please accept my humble obaisences
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
You are assuming I am an offender to Narayana Maharajas lotusfeet to you and many others.I properly am an offender to all jivas
what to speak of vaisnavas like yourself and Narayana Maharaja .So you please take compassion and pray for me.Vaisnavas are the true friends of all souls.
.I can tell you this if Narayana Maharaja gives up the faulty idea there is no Kalki avatar and some of the misconceptions he has I will gladly accept the name he has given me in the past and associate with him and his sanga also.(also provided this sanga stops targeting ISKCON's congregation and devotees)
.First of all I offer my humble obaisences to all vaisnavas. to Narayana Maharaja and all his followers, to Srila Prabhupada and all his followers.First of all to make it clear Srila Prabhupada is senior than Narayana Maharaja and should be respected as such and he is the saktya vesa of Nityananda Prabhu,who is non different than Lord Baladeva.I know you and many others do, but some in this sanga offensively thinks Narayana Maharaja is superior to Srila Prabhupada in so many way,this is very improper and is one of the reasons I left this sanga under direct instruction of Srila Prabhupada.
(who appeared in my dreams over 5 nights and clearly instructed me to do so)
I can not tolerate for one split second ,persons that was saved by Srila Prabupadas preaching refers to him as Swamiji.He is given the
honored name Srila Prabhupada,this is accepted even by many in Gaudiya maths such as BS Govinda Maharaja that recently left this world to enter Krsnas Bhauma lilas:( he also spend time with Srila Prabhupada in Allahabad wen he was a grastha to learn Bhagavad Gita from him under the instruction of Sridhara Swami)
nama om visnupadaya krsna-presthaya bhutale
svami sri bhaktivedanta prabhupadaya te nama
gurvajnam sirasi-dharyam saktyavesa sva-rupine
hare-krsneti mantrena pascatya-pracya-tarine
visvacarya prabaryaya divya karunya murtaye
sri bhagavata-madhurya-gita-jnana-pradayine
gaura-sri-rupa-siddhanta-sarasvati nisevine
radha-krsna-padambhoja-bhrngaya gurave nama
"I offer my humble obeisances unto His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, who is very dear to Lord Krsna on this Earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet. Taking the order of his guru on his head, he became empowered by Nityananda Prabhu to act as asaktyavesa avatara. He distributed the Hare Krsna mantra all over the Eastern and Western world, delivering and uplifting all fallen souls. He is the best of millions of jagat-gurus, because he is the personification of divine mercy. He has distributed the sweet nectar of Srimad-Bhagavatam and the transcendental knowledge of Bhagavad-gita all over the world. He is constantly engaged in exclusive devotional service to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, Srila Rupa Gosvami, and Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu. I offer my humble obeisances unto Srila Prabhupada, who is like a bumblebee always tasting the nectar of the lotus feet of Sri Sri Radha and Govinda."
(Composed by Swami B.S. Govinda Maharaja)
Now dear Srauti Maharaja ,please hear me out very careful , Kalki avatar does not appear in Kali yuga this is the first
misconception, and no one in Gaudiya math or any vaisnava sampradya accepts this.Please go to any Gurus and sannyasis and proper preachers in ISKCON and Gaudiya math and ask them to explain these slokas:
SB 12.2.17: Lord Viṣṇu — the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the spiritual master of all moving and nonmoving living beings, and the Supreme Soul of all — takes birth to protect the principles of religion and to relieve His saintly devotees from the reactions of material work.
SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.
SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.
SB 12.2.21: After all the impostor kings have been killed, the residents of the cities and towns will feel the breezes carrying the most sacred fragrance of the sandalwood paste and other decorations of Lord Vāsudeva, and their minds will thereby become transcendentally pure.
SB 12.2.22: When Lord Vāsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears in their hearts in His transcendental form of goodness, the remaining citizens will abundantly repopulate the earth.
SB 12.2.23: When the Supreme Lord has appeared on earth as Kalki, the maintainer of religion, Satya-yuga will begin, and human society will bring forth progeny in the mode of goodness.
SB 12.2.24: When the moon, the sun and Bṛhaspatī are together in the constellation Karkaṭa, and all three enter simultaneously into the lunar mansion Puṣyā — at that exact moment the age of Satya, or Kṛta, will begin
I can put you in touch with followers from Sri Sampraya and Madhava's in Udupi you ask the same question also.
I know you have most likely never carefully studied the 12 canto of Srimad Bhagavatam? If you did many vaisnava
commentaries are there also of the acaryas, explaining that Kalki appears in the junction of Kali and Satya yuga.Yes I am well aware of the conversation between Gopinath Acarya and Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya:
CC Madhya 6.85-86: Gopīnātha Ācārya then addressed Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya: "You are a great scholar and a teacher of many disciples. Indeed, there is no other scholar like you on earth. Nonetheless, because you are bereft of even a pinch of the Lord's mercy, you cannot understand Him, even though He is present in your home.
CC Madhya 6.87: "It is not your fault; it is the verdict of the scriptures. You cannot understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead simply by scholarship."
CC Madhya 6.88: Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya replied, "My dear Gopīnātha Ācārya, please speak with great care. What is the proof that you have received the mercy of the Lord?"
CC Madhya 6.89: Gopīnātha Ācārya replied, "Knowledge of the summum bonum, the Absolute Truth, is evidence of the mercy of the Supreme Lord."
CC Madhya 6.90: Gopīnātha Ācārya continued, "You have seen the symptoms of the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the body of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu during His absorption in an ecstatic mood.
CC Madhya 6.91: "Despite directly perceiving the symptoms of the Supreme Lord in the body of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, you cannot understand Him. This is commonly called illusion.
CC Madhya 6.92: "A person influenced by the external energy is called bahirmukha jana, a mundane person, because despite his perception, he cannot understand the real substance." Hearing Gopīnātha Ācārya say this, Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya smiled and began to speak as follows.
CC Madhya 6.93: The Bhaṭṭācārya said, "We are just having a discussion among friends and considering the points described in the scriptures. Do not become angry. I am simply speaking on the strength of the śāstras. Please don't take any offense.
CC Madhya 6.94: "Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is certainly a great, uncommon devotee, but we cannot accept Him as an incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu because, according to śāstra, there is no incarnation in this Age of Kali.
CC Madhya 6.95: "Another name for Lord Viṣṇu is Triyuga because there is no incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu in Kali-yuga. Indeed, this is the verdict of the revealed scriptures."
CC Madhya 6.96: Upon hearing this, Gopīnātha Ācārya became very unhappy. He said to the Bhaṭṭācārya, "You consider yourself the knower of all Vedic scriptures.
CC Madhya 6.97: "Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and the Mahābhārata are the two most important Vedic scriptures, but you have paid no attention to their statements.
CC Madhya 6.98: "In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and Mahābhārata it is stated that the Lord appears directly, but you say that in this age there is no manifestation or incarnation of Lord Viṣṇu.
CC Madhya 6.99: "In this Age of Kali there is no līlā-avatāra of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as Triyuga. That is one of His holy names."
CC Madhya 6.100: Gopīnātha Ācārya continued, "There is certainly an incarnation in every age, and such an incarnation is called the yuga-avatāra. But your heart has become so hardened by logic and argument that you cannot consider all these facts.
CC Madhya 6.101: "'In the past, your son has had bodies of three different colors, according to the age. These colors were white, red and yellow. In this age [Dvāpara-yuga] He has accepted a blackish body.'
CC Madhya 6.102: "'In the Age of Kali, as well as in Dvāpara-yuga, the people offer prayers to the Supreme Personality of Godhead by various mantras and observe the regulative principles of the supplementary Vedic literatures. Now please hear of this from me.
CC Madhya 6.103: "'In this Age of Kali, those who are intelligent perform the congregational chanting of the Hare Kṛṣṇamahā-mantra, worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who appears in this age always describing the glories of Kṛṣṇa. That incarnation is yellowish in hue and is always associated with His plenary expansions [such as Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu] and personal expansions [such as Gadādhara], as well as His devotees and associates [such as Svarūpa Dāmodara].'
CC Madhya 6.104: "'The Lord [in the incarnation of Gaurasundara] has a golden complexion. Indeed, His entire body, which is very nicely constituted, is like molten gold. Sandalwood pulp is smeared all over His body. He will take the fourth order of spiritual life [sannyāsa] and will be very much self-controlled. He will be distinguished from Māyāvādī sannyāsīs in that He will be fixed in devotional service and will spread the sańkīrtana movement.'"
CC Madhya 6.105: Gopīnātha Ācārya then said, "There is no need to quote so much evidence from the śāstras, for you are a very dry speculator. There is no need to sow seeds in barren land
My dear Srauti Maharaja, kindly lets see this one vers:
kali-yuge līlāvatāra nā kare bhagavān
ataeva 'tri-yuga' kari' kahi tāra nāma
CC Madhya 6.99: "In this Age of Kali there is no līlā-avatāra of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore He is known as Triyuga. That is one of His holy names.
and if we read Srila Prabhupada purport to this sloka it could appear there indeed is no Kalki avatar:
PURPORT
A līlā-avatāra is an incarnation of the Lord who performs a variety of activities without making any special endeavor. He always has one pastime after another, all full of transcendental pleasure, and these pastimes are fully controlled by the Supreme Person. The Supreme Person is totally independent of all others in these pastimes. While teaching Sanātana Gosvāmī (Cc.Madhya 20.296-298), Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu pointed out that one cannot count the number of līlā-avatāras:
līlāvatāra kṛṣṇera nā yāya gaṇana
pradhāna kariyā kahi dig-daraśana
"However," the Lord told Sanātana, "I shall explain the chief līlā-avatāras."
matsya, kūrma, raghunātha, nṛsiḿha, vāmana
varāhādi — lekhā yāńra nā yāya gaṇana
Thus the Lord's incarnations were enumerated, including Matsya, the fish incarnation; Kūrma, the tortoise; LordRāmacandra; Nṛsiḿhadeva; Vāmanadeva; and Varāha, the boar incarnation. Thus there are innumerable līlā-avatāras, and all of these exhibit wonderful pastimes. Lord Varāha, the boar incarnation, lifted the entire planet earth from the depths of the Garbhodaka Ocean. The tortoise incarnation, Lord Kūrma, became a pivot for the emulsification of the whole sea, and Lord Nṛsiḿhadeva appeared as half-man, half-lion. These are some of the wonderful and uncommon features of līlā-avatāras.
In his book Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has enumerated the following twenty-five līlā-avatāras: Catuḥ-sana,Nārada, Varāha, Matsya, Yajña, Nara-Nārāyaṇa, Kapila, Dattātreya, Hayaśīrṣa (Hayagrīva), Haḿsa, Pṛśnigarbha, Ṛṣabha, Pṛthu,Nṛsiḿha, Kūrma, Dhanvantari, Mohinī, Vāmana, Paraśurāma, Rāghavendra, Vyāsa, Balarāma, Kṛṣṇa, Buddha and Kalki.
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not mentioned as a līlā-avatāra because He is an incarnation in disguise (channa-avatāra). In this Age of Kali there are no līlā-avatāras, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Śrī CaitanyaMahāprabhu. This has been explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
So if we accept this part also: " In his book Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has enumerated the following twenty-five līlā-avatāras: Catuḥ-sana,Nārada, Varāha, Matsya, Yajña, Nara-Nārāyaṇa, Kapila, Dattātreya, Hayaśīrṣa (Hayagrīva), Haḿsa, Pṛśnigarbha, Ṛṣabha, Pṛthu,Nṛsiḿha, Kūrma, Dhanvantari, Mohinī, Vāmana, Paraśurāma, Rāghavendra, Vyāsa, Balarāma, Kṛṣṇa, Buddha and Kalki."
It certainly is clear Kalki does not appear in Kali yuga at least not in the one where Lord Gauranga appears.So how to understand these slokas?:
SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brāhmaṇa of Śambhala village, the great soul Viṣṇuyaśā.
SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.
Narayana Maharajas conclusion is Kalki does not appear in Kali yuga or in this Kali yuga, yes I agree, but he appears in the junction of Kali and Satya,so strictly speaking there is no contradiction.Are we to assume Srila Sridhara Swami and all our acaryas are wrong in their commentaries about Kalki avatar
yes it is stated also:
Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.7.38
yarhy ālayeṣv api satāḿ na hareḥ kathāḥ syuḥ
pāṣaṇḍino dvija-janā vṛṣalā nṛdevāḥ
svāhā svadhā vaṣaḍ iti sma giro na yatra
śāstā bhaviṣyati kaler bhagavān yugānte
TRANSLATION
Thereafter, at the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher castes, and when the power of government is transferred to the hands of ministers elected from the lowborn śūdra class or those less than them, and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser.
You think Srila Vyasadeva has made a mistake?
kaleḥ — of the Kali age; bhagavān — the Personality of Godhead; yuga-ante — at the end of.
I have not even started to get into explaining the Kalki Purana
kaler doṣa-nidhe rājannasti hy eko mahān guṇaḥkīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasyamukta-sańgaḥ paraḿ vrajetSB 12.3.51: My dear King, although Kali-yuga is an ocean of faults, there is still one good quality about this age: Simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, one can become free from material bondage and be promoted to the transcendental kingdom.
May you have an auspicious Balarama Purnima!
your servant
Payonidhi das
There is no question of leaving our society(ISKCON.) One may think like that but I cannot allow you to leave. That is my inspiration. Those who have left the society I am always thinking of them." - Srila Prabhupada (Letter to: Upendra — Nairobi 9 October, 1971)
Srila Prabhupada has requested I stay in ISKCON ,I do sometimes go an pay my respects in Mathura or Navadvipa also to the maths there when I do Parikrama,some devotees have kept their initiated names given by them by Narayana Maharaja such as Mukunda Datta Prabhu the head pujari at ISKCON Krsna Balarama mandir, he is also allowed to give classes of Srimad Bhagavatam there.I would have no problem keeping the name Paramananda das as given to me by Narayana Maharaja if Maharaja will kindly desist from speaking like this and accept the version of Srimad Bhagavatam as it is.
I have often defended Narayana Maharaja in ISKCON though certainly many does not like that, but I try to be fair according to the teachings of Lord Caitanya and Srila Prabhupada and our acaryas
What I have written in this article is very fair and truthful ,see also:
To you I may be a spiritual baby without teeth as long as I am Srila Prabhupadas's baby,it is fine with.He brought me to KC
has maintained my KC in so many years,I daily have his sanga through his lectures and books, to me he is not dead maybe to you? I am no ritvik, but do not have the benefit of what you people call the "living Guru" .There is many persons in Narayana Math also (that live outside, that smoke pot also, so it is all not that great, your sanga is far from perfect,to you
these neophytes are better than me because they come around Narayana Maharaja and have illict sex and smoke weed?
They are really his disciples because they took initiation the next day after they met him and accepted him as "Messiah"
though they stilll engage in illict sex and smoke weed, please stop acting like a born again christian fanatic.
( some former Gurukulis "socalled in ISKCON" also do this and pretend they are devotees and tell others while they smoke weed they are Hare Krishnas_)
I have been initiated twice and diksa is not so important as siksa, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura rejected his diksa Guru Bipin Bihari because he was teaching bogus things:
Song Name: Diksa Guru Krpa Kori
Official Name: Upadesa Introduction
Author: Bhaktivinoda Thakura
Book Name: Kalyana Kalpataru
Language: Bengali
LYRICS
(1)
diksa-guru-krpa kori mantra-upadesa
koriya dekhan krsna-tattver nirdesa
(2)
siksa-guru-brnda krpa koriya apar
sadhake sikhan sadhaner anga-sar
(3)
siksa-guru-gana-pade koriya pranati
upadesa-mala boli nija manah-prati
TRANSLATION
1) The initiating spiritual master shows his causeless mercy by giving his disciples instructions in chanting the hari-nama mantra. By so doing he points the disciples towards the direction of the truths pertaining to the Supreme Lord Sri Krsna.
2) But I consider the numerous instructing spiritual masters to be more important, for they show unlimitedly more mercy by training the neophyte devotees in all the essential aspects of practical, regulative devotional service (sadhana-bhakti).
3) Therefore, offering my prostrated obeisances unto the lotus feet of all instructing spiritual masters, I will now narrate this garland of different types of spiritual advice, which will all be directed towards my own mind.
As for Diksa ,Narayana Maharaja told me in 1986 to 89 many times about the importance of Chanting 64 rounds ,that I strictly do, do you?, Though a sannyasi disciple of him and refuse to do so?You have not taken
real diksa,diksa without chanting 64 rounds is for kanistha bhaktas, this is your level sadly.I do pray for you advancement in KC.....Jaya Baladeva
When you take real shelter of Srila Prabhupada and Nama Prabhu you will understand these things,why have you rejected your "Swami" ,Srila Prabhupada and accepted another "Swami".Like a protitute.Why have you rejected the commentaries of Srila Sridhara Swami to SB 12.chapter 2 ? Have you become a prostitute?
Being a neophyte spiritual baby is ok , but not being a "spiritual prostitute", in this sanga sadly there is much of both ,though you all hate ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada.....?You hate Srila Vyasadeva because you have chosen Narayana Maharaja over Srila Vyasadeva....the fact is practically all of Gaudiya Math calls Narayana Maharajas
math "sahajiya mandir" , you ask and will be very surprised...teaching manjari bhava to potheads is not KC,first teach them to give up illicit sex and drugs .Some have this "living Guru" (as if a bonafide Guru ever dies?)
Some discipels of Gaura Govinda Swami travelled with him everywhere to hear from him ,I properly learned more from him than most , because I was sincere, and in my heart is one of my siksa Gurus, but I never started a fist fight in Boston temple as one devotee did, and maharaja chastised him severly ,instead I went on bookdistribution as instructed by Srila Prabhupada.I never had to much times with the "living Gurus" because I have been distributing Srila Prabupadas books most of my life, I vowed this to Srila Prabhupada,before I had even had much association with devotees,I want to distribute his book to help others, and am ready to do this
birth after birth, with or without the living Guru you talk about ,I have Srila Prabhupadas lotusfeet it is enough for me.
JAYA KRSNA BALARAMA
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/are-we-really-in-iskcon
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/where-is-my-shyamsundara-1
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/please-keep-me-out-of
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/who-to-take-shelter-ofit-is
This is my response to the GBC paper of -is about Narayana Maharaja ,this also explains my current external view on Guru tattva:
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/response-to-gbc-paper-about ;
http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/narayana-maharaja-on-the...
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All Gaudiya Matha Acaryas have agreed that as Caitanya mahaprabhu appears in Kali Yuga
Kalki avatara appeared with him, beeing present in His body. Mahaprabhu is Avatari,and as he appears Kalki avatara will not independently, there is no need of a second descent as He is already in Mahaprabhu's body.
Once again your lack of sadhu sanga proves that you don't know anything only reading sastra externally. The fact that you are not initiate deprives you from entering in the secret truth of these sastras. If you come near to Srila Narayana he will prove that you don't know anything that you have not understood the scriptures, that in spiritual matters you are a bay without teeth even;
I have ask you noy to write anymore, but you cannot even do that. You blasfame a Vaisnava,and say I am not a gentleman. Your blindness is unlimited. Poor fool.
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Date: Mardi 24 août 2010, 2h03
these points alone makes Narayana Maharaja unfit to be a Guru
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Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:57 pm
Subject: this is a nice email but you do not talk from sastra only from ahankara,defeat it by sastra, but you can not so you are not a gentle man even
dear Madhava Vanacari
Please accept my humble obaisences
all glories to Srila Prabhupada
Yes I did write that I disagree with Narayana Maharaja that Ramacarita Manasa should not be read and studied by pure vaisnavas as this book is tinged with Mayavada .
See http://nimaipandit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/narada-married
I stick to that, those on the path of pure bhakti never read books mixed with mayavada .
As you know I spend time with Narayana Maharaja since 1986 when I spend a week in Kesavaji Gaudiya math
doing some seva for collecting for Janmastami souvenir for ISKCON Vrindavan.Maharaja gave me many good
instructions such as the importance of chanting more than 16 rounds daily.
I disagree with him about few things however:
He also states there is no Kalki avatar in the end of Kali yuga that opposes Srimad Bhagavatam
and Kalki Purana, and can not be accepted as it contradict Srila Vyasadevs authority and that of the Puranas.
Maharaja accepts disciples sometimes on the spot given them diksa the next day, I have seen it and it is against the teachings of Srila Rupa and Sanatana Goswami.
The real serious problem is his disciples target ISKCON congregation all over the world, I and many others have a great problem with that.
I wish you well
your servant
Payonidhi das
my pranams to Srila Prabhupada and his Guru Maharaja that was very strict:
namaste gaura-vani-sri-murtaye dina-tarine
rupanuga-viruddhapasiddhanta-dhvanta-harine
"I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement which is against the siddhanta enunciated by Srila Rupa Goswami."
nikhila-bhuvana-maya-chinnavichina-kartri
vibudha-bahula-mrgya-mukti-mohanta-dhatri
sithilita-vidhi-raga-radhya-radhesa-dhani
vilasatu hrdi nityam bhaktisiddhanta vani
"With his first step, He cut to pieces the whole plane of exploitation, and with his second, he crushed the speculation of scholars of salvation and liberation. With his third, he softened vaidhi bhakti with a touch of divine love (raga marga). Taking us beyond Vaikuntha, he has introduced us to the highest worship of Sri Radha and Govinda.
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Comment by Paramananda das on August 24, 2010 at 7:58am
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can it be more clear? Kalki comes in the junction of Kali and Satya and stricly speaking not in Kali yuga ,thus there is no contradictions with Gopinath acaryas conclusion and Srimad Bhagavatam 12 canto
about Kalki avatars apperance ,Kalki Purana is an Upa Purana and is very more specific, all is given even the month when Kalki will appearŚrīmad Bhāgavatam 1.3.25
athāsau yuga-sandhyāyāḿ
dasyu-prāyeṣu rājasu
janitā viṣṇu-yaśaso
nāmnā kalkir jagat-patiḥ
SYNONYMS
atha — thereafter; asau — the same Lord; yuga-sandhyāyām — at the conjunction of the yugas; dasyu — plunderers; prāyeṣu — almost all; rājasu — the governing personalities; janitā — will take His birth; viṣṇu — named Viṣṇu; yaśasaḥ — surnamed Yaśā; nāmnā — in the name of; kalkiḥ — the incarnation of the Lord; jagat-patiḥ — the Lord of the creation.
TRANSLATION
Thereafter, at the conjunction of two yugas, the Lord of the creation will take His birth as the Kalki incarnation and become the son of Viṣṇu Yaśā. At this time the rulers of the earth will have degenerated into plunderers.
PURPORT
Here is another foretelling of the advent of Lord Kalki, the incarnation of Godhead. He is to appear at the conjunction of the two yugas, namely at the end of Kali-yuga and the beginning of Satya-yuga. The cycle of the four yugas, namely Satya, Tretā, Dvāpara and Kali, rotates like the calendar months. The present Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, out of which we have passed only 5,000 years after the Battle of Kurukṣetra and the end of the regime of King Parīkṣit. So there are 427,000 years balance yet to be finished. Therefore at the end of this period, the incarnation of Kalki will take place, as foretold in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. The name of His father, Viṣṇu Yaśā, a learned brāhmaṇa, and the village Śambhala are also mentioned. As above mentioned, all these foretellings will prove to be factual in chronological order. That is the authority of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
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Srila Narahari Thakura has written in his ‘Bhakti-ratnakara’ that those who call themselves God are the disciples of Kali. Their punisher is Lord Kalkideva:
se papishtha apanara bolaya ‘gopala’
ataeva tare sabe bolaye ‘siyala’keha kahe - maha amangala e sabara
e saba mlecchera sasta kalki avatara
(Bhakti-ratnakara 14.175-176)
“He who declares himself to be God is extremely sinful. All call him a jackal or a cheat. Such dreadful ominous barbarians will be punished by Kalki-avatara.”
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mleccha-nivaha-nidhane kalayasi karavalam
dhumaketum iva kim api karalam
kesava dhrita-kalki-sarira jaya jagadisa hare
(Sri Jayadeva’s Dasavatara-stotra, 10th Verse)
“Lord Kesava assumes the comet-like form of Kalki with a terrible sword to annihilate the wicked barbarians. O Lord of the universe! O Lord Hari! O Lord in the form of Kalki, all glories unto You!”
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dvaipayano bhagavan aprabodhad buddhas tu pashanda-gana-pramadat
kalkih kaleh kala-malat prapatu dharmavanayoru-kritavatarah
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.8.19)
“May Supreme Lord Vyasadeva protect me from all kinds of ignorance. May Lord Buddha protect me from activities opposed to the Vedic principles as well as laziness leading to bewilderment and forgetfulness of the Vedic principles of knowledge and ritualistic actions. May Kalkideva, who is considered the supreme descent of Godhead to protect righteousness, protect me from the dirt of the age of Kali.”
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