are sannyasis above rules and regulations?And Hari Bhakti Vilasa..no certainly not.No one is...

[Paramananda das]

dear devotees

Please accept my humble obaisences

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

I had a discussion with some devotees about how we have to cover the japa beads, with the bead bag Srila Prabhupada on occasion

asked devotees to chant with the beads inside the beadbag and HariBhakti vilasa is very specific



YAKSA RAKSASA BHUTANI SIDDHA VIDYADHARA GANAH HARANTI PRASABHAM YASMAT TASMAD GUPTAM SAMACARET

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 17/144 from YAJNAVALKYA SMRTI)

If one chants japa while keeping his japa beads outside of his bead bag, then his japa is forcibly stolen by semi-demigods, demons, ghosts, perfected living entities from Siddhaloka and Vidyadharas, the dancers in the heavenly planets. Therefore one should not keep his beads outside of his bead bag....



there is also rules given in Hari Bhakti Vilasa based on sastra on what kind of beads is better, namely Tulsi and how many beads 108 and how to properly chant and not jumb over the Krsna bead etc



then this sannyasi wrote:



kṛtyāny etāni tu prāyo
gṛhinām dhanināṁ satām
likhitāni na tu tyakta-
parigraha-mahātmanām
...
"Whatever activities are written in Hari-bhakti-vilāsa are mostly all meant for householders and rich devotees. There are no rules written for the renunciates."



Some of his disciples complained this was to much rules and regulations ,and they would rather leave KC than follow so many things.I

was then not welcome to post anything further there.I was shocked by this kind of neophyte behavior .



This person wrote:



"Too many rules, regulations and guilt tactics produce the result that newcomers leave the Hare Krsna movement. This is an offence."



This is the present attitude many have thus they try to do away with rules and regulations,maybe I should mention this above sannyasi had illicit sex with a disciple and wife of someone else and stays a sannyasi? Where is someone to defend ISKCON justice and morality and dharma? The above sannyasi also has many disciples that have engaged in illict sex in the temples ,one was caught stealing from the hundi (donation box of Radha Gopivallabha in Boston ).His socalled sannyasi Guru never chastised him for being a thief.(nor was the persons engaged in illict sex chastised)

Sannyasis are supposed to know Hari Bhakti Vilsa , but here is an example of someone that preaches against it, and he was what Srila Prabhupada calls a Ravana sannyasi, dressing like a sannyasi to have sex with a disciple.(sb 7.15.36)



SB 7.15.36: One who accepts the sannyāsa order gives up the three principles of materialistic activities in which one indulges in the field of household life — namely religion, economic development and sense gratification. One who first accepts sannyāsa but then returns to such materialistic activities is to be called a vāntāśī, or one who eats his own vomit. He is indeed a shameless person.

SB 7.15.37: Sannyāsīs who first consider that the body is subject to death, when it will be transformed into stool, worms or ashes, but who again give importance to the body and glorify it as the self, are to be considered the greatest rascals.

SB 7.15.38-39: It is abominable for a person living in the gṛhastha-āśrama to give up the regulative principles, for a brahmacārī not to follow the brahmacārī vows while living under the care of the guru, for a vānaprastha to live in the village and engage in so-called social activities, or for a sannyāsī to be addicted to sense gratification. One who acts in this way is to be considered the lowest renegade. Such a pretender is bewildered by the external energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and one should either reject him from any position, or taking compassion upon him, teach him, if possible, to resume his original position.







What happened to Vaco vegam, manaah krodha vega....?

SB 1.2.6: The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.m .?



Well sastra clearly says to offer obaisences to a Tridandi Sannyasi



devata-pratimam drstva yatim caiva tridandinam

namaskaram na kuryacced upavasena suddhyati



One who does not offer obeisances upon seeing gods and sannyasis should

fast all day for his purification. (Ekadasi-tattve trisprsaikadasi-prakarana-dhrta-

smrti-vakya)



But not if he is fallen Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada also instructed all sannyasis to chant 64 rounds,and stated one is fallen if one does not (for all varna and asramas).

This aside there is so many rules and regulations in Hari Bhakti Vilasa and guidance, anyone who rejects Hari Bhakti Vilasa is clearly a nondevotee, even if dressed as a tridandi sannyasi



prabhu kahe,—sadhu ei bhiksura vacana

mukunda sevana-vrata kaila nirdharana

paratma-nistha-matra vesa-dharana

mukunda-sevaya haya samsara-tarana

sei vesa kaila, ebe vrndavana giya

krsna-nisevana kari nibhrte vasiya



Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu approved of the ekam samasthaya paratma-

nintham verse on account of the determination of the mendicant sannyasi to

engage in the service of Lord Mukunda. He gave his approval of this verse,

indicating that is was very good. The real purpose of accepting sannyasa is to

dedicate oneself to the service of Mukunda. By serving Mukunda, one can actu-

ally be liberated from the bondage of material existence. After accepting the

sannyasa order, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu decided to go to Vnrdavana and en-

gage Himself wholly and solely in the service of Mukunda in a solitary place.

(Cc. Mad. 3.7-9)




"evam bahudakadi dharman uktva paramahamsa-dharmanaha jnana-

nistha iti sardhair-dasbhih bahir-virakto mukmuksh san jnana-nistha va

mokse'py anapekso mad-bhakto va sa salingan

tridandadi-sahitan asramams-tad-dharmams-tyaktva tadasaktim tyaktva

yathocitam dharmam cared ity arthah" punaraya



After explaining the duties of other sannyasis such as bahudaka the duties

of a paramahamsa are described in ten and a half verses begining with this one

A paramhamsa may be one desiring liberation and thus fixed in knowledge or

may be a devotee who disregards even liberation. He should perform proper

religious duties without any attachment to material desires. He can give up all

the external symptoms of varnasrama-dharma. He gives up the asrama duties

means he gives up attachment to them and performs them with no material

motive. (Bhavartha-dipika commentary on Bhag. 11.18.28)



So a Sannyasis and Guru should also educate his disciples in Bhakti according to Hari Bhakti Vilasa, Srila Prabhupada asked Krsna Balarama be installed in Vrindavan according to Hari Bhakti Vilasa..he never said we are above Hari Bhakti Vilasa.

This is the foolish preaching of some



This is the actual conclusion:



vagdado'tha mano-dandah kaya-danda-stathaiva ca

yasyaite nihita-buddhau tridanditi sa ucyate



One who accepts in his mind the rod of chastisement for his speech, mind

is known as a tridandi one who has accepted the threefold rod of chastisement.

(Manu-samhita 12.10)



damanam dandam yasya van-manah-kayanam dandah nisiddhabhidhanah

sat-sankalpa-pratisiddha-vyapara-vyapara-tyagena buddava-vasthitah sa

tridandity-ucyate na tu danda-traya-dharana-matrena



The word danda means "punishment." One who "punishes"

speech, mind, and actions means one who gives up attachment for mate-

rial sense enjoyment and who accepts what is favorable for the truth and

rejects what is unfavorable for perfection. Such a person is called a tridandi.

It is not that anyone who carries around three sticks can be called a

tridandi. (Manu-samhita 12.10, Kalukka Bhatta commentary on the above

verse from Manu-samhita).



Rupa Gosvami's Definition of Tridandi



15.31

vaco vegam manasah krodha-vagam

jihva-vegam udaropastha-vegam

etan vegan yo visaheta dhirah

sarvam apimam prthivim sa sisyat



One who can control the forces of speech, mind, anger, the tongue,

the belly, and the genitals is known as a Gosvami and is qualified to

accept disciples all over the world. (Upadesamrta 1)

These slokas are from Gaudiya Kanthara the Sloka book of verses used by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada http://bvml.org/SGK/index.htm



and for grhasthas and other asramas:

All Asramas are Meant for Serving Hari



15.11

brahmacaryam tapah saucam santoso bhuta-sauhrdam

grhasthasyapy rtau gantuh sarvesam mad-upasanam



Chastity, penance, purity, peacefulness, and kindness to all living beings

constitute grhastha-dharma. A grhastha who approaches his wife for procreating

children only on those days sanctioned by scripture is considered chaste.

Worship of Hari should be practiced by everyone, regardless of their position

society; it is the duty of all varnas and asramas. (Bhag. 11.18.43)

Scriptures Make Concessions for Materialistic People



15.12

loke vyavayamisa-madya-seva nitya hi jantor na hi tatra codana

vyavasthitis tesu vivaha-yajna-sura-grahair asu nivrttir ista



Everyone is naturally inclined to have sex, eat meat, and drink wine. There

is no need for the scripture to encourage these things. The scriptures do, how-

ever, give concessions to people who are determined to do these things. They

grant license to enjoy sex by allowing sexual intercourse with one's lawfully

wedded wife at the proper time of the month. They grant a license to eat meat

to those who perform a certain kind of sacrifice, and a license to drink wine to

those who perform the Sautramari sacrifice. The purpose of granting these

licenses for sense gratification is only to restrict these activities and encourage

people to give them up altogether. The real intention of the Vedic injunctions

regarding sex, meat-eating, and wine-drinking is to make one abstain from these

activities. (Bhag. 11.5.11)



Grhasthas Should Not Get Bewildered by Family Life



15.13

kutumbesu na sajjeta na pramadyet kutumby api

vipascin nasvaram pasyed adrstam api drsta-vat



One should not become attached to one's family members, nor should one

become bewildered trying to maintain them. Even though one may be a house-

holder, he should not be negligent in his devotion to the Lord. An intelligent

householder should realize that even the unseen enjoyments promised in the

future, are as temporary as the so-called pleasures he has already seen.

(Bhag. 11.17.52)



15.14

putra-darapta-bandhunam sangamah pantha-sangamah

anu-deham viyanty ete svapno nidranugo yatha



Relationships of wife, sons, relatives, and friends are like the relationships

of pilgrims who meet by chance at a resting place for a few hours before going

on their way. When one leaves his body to accept another body, such friends

and relatives are forgotten, just as upon waking one forgets the characters in a

dream. (Bhag. 11.17.53)





your servant

Payonidhi das

Sastra has never allowed any sannyasi to have houses, bankbalance give money loans to disciples ,be a millinonair .Those who understand Hari Bhakti Vilasa properly will be the best sannyasis,varnaprasthas, grhasthas ,and brahmacaries..no one is above the teachings of Srila Gopal Bhatta Goswami ...all based on sastra,and commented on by Srila Sanatana Goswami himself.Overcollecting

is certainly there when a sannyasis is wealthy....it is a contradiction an oxymoron.("sharply dull")

[Paramananda das]

CC Antya 6.223, Purport:

As stated in the Hari-bhakti-vilāsa at the end of the Twentieth Vilāsa (20.366, 379, 382):

kṛtyāny etāni tu prāyo gṛhiṇāṁ dhanināṁ satām

likhitāni na tu tyakta-parigraha-mahātmanām

prabhāte cārdha-rātre ca madhyāhne divasa-kṣaye

kīrtayanti hariṁ ye vai te taranti bhavārṇavam

evam ekāntināṁ prāyaḥ kīrtanaṁ smaraṇaṁ prabhoḥ

kurvatāṁ parama-prītyā kṛtyam anyan na rocate

A well-to-do householder Vaiṣṇava cannot live like a person in the renounced order who completely takes shelter of the holy name. Such a householder should chant the holy name of Kṛṣṇa in the morning, at midday and in the evening. Then he will be able to cross beyond nescience. Pure devotees in the renounced order, however, who fully surrender to the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, should chant the holy name of the Lord with great love and faith, always thinking of Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet. They should have no occupation other than chanting the holy name of the Lord.

[Paramananda das]

it is expected that many grhastas have little time to chant but sannaysis should have no other business