seeing through the eyes of scriptures
A Sannyasi massaging naked women to expel ghosts
Dandavat pranams
Jaya Sri Guru and Gauranga ,Jaya Gandharvika Giridhari
Jaya Srila Prabhupada
One devotee friend from Jagannatha Puri send me this:
Tirtha Maharaj was just caught giving full body (naked) massages to a number of ladies...he is not to be promoted From a God-sister: Yes, he did it again, giving women from middle aged to the young full body massages in the name of driving ...
my comment:
out evil spirits. First he admitted it and then called the girls liars. They slapped the girls cause that's what they do in India, where women are not valued at all. I only subscribe to Vaisnava philosophy and more so to Srila Gurudev, who treated the women in our sanga, actually all beings, with kindness and compassion. But they can keep the rest. I was born in the West and I'm so sick and tired of Westerners (and Indians) bashing everything that's good here. Things are a whole lot more equal here than they are over there, especially for women. There's a big fight going on between devotees and it's a split. Some are calling for justice to be done and the situation not being swept under the rug like it was in ISCKON. The women need to be protected and I'm a big advocate of that. The other side is having trouble accepting that Tirtha mj is a 'conditioned' soul even though he's been caught time and time again. It was Suddhadvaita Swami that expose everything here on FB because it happened to his daughter. I'm really shocked at the women in this sanga because mostly no one is even mentioning the offense against the girls. Can you imagine what kind of phsychological impact it will make?? Not to mention all the people he initiated and them thinking he is a bonafide guru. Srila Gurudev also warned about being hasty to initiate and I saw that video. So anyways, it's in Premenanda prabhu's hands at this time, so lets see what will happen. They wanted to ban him from parikram this year but I think they will give him shelter under a senior vaisnav for a year and have him sit out and get his head straight.. He has done alot of service for our Guru but that does not exempt him from what he did. I only wish the girls were getting his good treatment right now. Tirtha is BOGUS! A deviant. Not Guru, not even Swami.
my comment:
He is a sannyasi in Gaudiya Samiti and Narayana Maharaja had much affection for him but he has acted in this horrible way:
This is imitation of Ramananda Raya: See CC Antya lila chapter 5:
sva-haste karana snana, gatra sammarjana
SYNONYMS
sva-haste--with his own hand; karena--does; tara--of those two girls; abhyanga-mardana--massaging the body with oil; sva-haste--with his own hand; karana snana--bathes them; gatra sammarjana--cleansing the whole body.
TRANSLATION
With his own hand, Sri Ramananda Raya massaged their bodies with oil and bathed them with water. Indeed, Ramananda Raya cleansed their entire bodies with his own hand.
TEXT 18
TEXT
sva-haste parana vastra, sarvanga mandana
tabu nirvikara raya-ramanandera mana
SYNONYMS
sva-haste--with his own hand; parana vastra--dresses them; sarvanga mandana--decorating the whole body; tabu--still; nirvikara--without transformation; raya-ramanandera--of Ramananda Raya; mana--the mind.
TRANSLATION
Although he dressed the two young girls and decorated their bodies with his own hand, he remained unchanged. Such is the mind of Srila Ramananda Raya.
TEXT 19
TEXT
kastha-pasana-sparse haya yaiche bhava
taruni-sparse ramanandera taiche 'svabhava'
SYNONYMS
kastha--wood; pasana--stone; sparse--by touching; haya--there is; yaiche--as; bhava--mental position; taruni-sparse--by touching the young girls; ramanandera--of Ramananda Raya; taiche--like that; svabhava--nature.
TRANSLATION
While touching the young girls, he was like a person touching wood or stone, for his body and mind were unaffected.
TEXT 20
TEXT
sevya-bujhi aropiya karena sevana
svabhavika dasi-bhava karena aropana
SYNONYMS
sevya-bujhi aropiya--considering worshipable; karena sevana--engages in service; svabhavika--by his natural position; dasi-bhava--as a maidservant; karena aropana--considers.
TRANSLATION
Srila Ramananda Raya used to act in that way because he thought of himself in his original position as a maidservant of the gopis. Thus although externally he appeared to be a man, internally, in his original spiritual position, he considered himself a maidservant and considered the two girls gopis.
PURPORT
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura writes in his Amrta-pravaha-bhasya: "Srila Ramananda Raya composed a drama named Jagannatha-vallabha-nataka, and he engaged two young girls who were professional dancers and singers to demonstrate the ideology of the drama. Such girls, who are called deva-dasis, are still employed in the temple of Jagannatha, where they are called maharis. Sri Ramananda Raya engaged two such girls, and because they were meant to play the parts of gopis, he taught them how to awaken thoughts like those of the gopis. Because the gopis are worshipable personalities, Ramananda Raya, who considered the two girls gopis and himself their maidservant, engaged in their service by massaging their bodies with oil to cleanse them completely. Because Ramananda Raya always placed himself in the position of a maidservant of the gopis, his rehearsal with the girls was actually on the spiritual platform."
Because there was no question of personal sense gratification when Sri Ramananda Raya was serving the girls, his mind was steady and his body untransformed. This is not to be imitated, nor is such a mentality possible for anyone but Sri Ramananda Raya, as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu will explain. The example of Sri Ramananda Raya is certainly unique. The author of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta has given this description because in perfect devotional service one can attain such a position. Nevertheless, one must understand this subject very seriously and never attempt to imitate such activities.
SYNONYMS
sva-haste--with his own hand; karena--does; tara--of those two girls; abhyanga-mardana--massaging the body with oil; sva-haste--with his own hand; karana snana--bathes them; gatra sammarjana--cleansing the whole body.
TRANSLATION
With his own hand, Sri Ramananda Raya massaged their bodies with oil and bathed them with water. Indeed, Ramananda Raya cleansed their entire bodies with his own hand.
TEXT 18
TEXT
sva-haste parana vastra, sarvanga mandana
tabu nirvikara raya-ramanandera mana
SYNONYMS
sva-haste--with his own hand; parana vastra--dresses them; sarvanga mandana--decorating the whole body; tabu--still; nirvikara--without transformation; raya-ramanandera--of Ramananda Raya; mana--the mind.
TRANSLATION
Although he dressed the two young girls and decorated their bodies with his own hand, he remained unchanged. Such is the mind of Srila Ramananda Raya.
TEXT 19
TEXT
kastha-pasana-sparse haya yaiche bhava
taruni-sparse ramanandera taiche 'svabhava'
SYNONYMS
kastha--wood; pasana--stone; sparse--by touching; haya--there is; yaiche--as; bhava--mental position; taruni-sparse--by touching the young girls; ramanandera--of Ramananda Raya; taiche--like that; svabhava--nature.
TRANSLATION
While touching the young girls, he was like a person touching wood or stone, for his body and mind were unaffected.
TEXT 20
TEXT
sevya-bujhi aropiya karena sevana
svabhavika dasi-bhava karena aropana
SYNONYMS
sevya-bujhi aropiya--considering worshipable; karena sevana--engages in service; svabhavika--by his natural position; dasi-bhava--as a maidservant; karena aropana--considers.
TRANSLATION
Srila Ramananda Raya used to act in that way because he thought of himself in his original position as a maidservant of the gopis. Thus although externally he appeared to be a man, internally, in his original spiritual position, he considered himself a maidservant and considered the two girls gopis.
PURPORT
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura writes in his Amrta-pravaha-bhasya: "Srila Ramananda Raya composed a drama named Jagannatha-vallabha-nataka, and he engaged two young girls who were professional dancers and singers to demonstrate the ideology of the drama. Such girls, who are called deva-dasis, are still employed in the temple of Jagannatha, where they are called maharis. Sri Ramananda Raya engaged two such girls, and because they were meant to play the parts of gopis, he taught them how to awaken thoughts like those of the gopis. Because the gopis are worshipable personalities, Ramananda Raya, who considered the two girls gopis and himself their maidservant, engaged in their service by massaging their bodies with oil to cleanse them completely. Because Ramananda Raya always placed himself in the position of a maidservant of the gopis, his rehearsal with the girls was actually on the spiritual platform."
Because there was no question of personal sense gratification when Sri Ramananda Raya was serving the girls, his mind was steady and his body untransformed. This is not to be imitated, nor is such a mentality possible for anyone but Sri Ramananda Raya, as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu will explain. The example of Sri Ramananda Raya is certainly unique. The author of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta has given this description because in perfect devotional service one can attain such a position. Nevertheless, one must understand this subject very seriously and never attempt to imitate such activities.
Srila Prabhupada has stated:
SB 9.19.17: NO WOMAN SHOULD COME NEAR A SANNYASI
So far your suggestion that they sew clothes for the sannyasis Deities it is not possible. Sannyasis may have no connection with women. (Letter to: Jayatirtha, Calcutta, 13 January, 1976)
Sannyasis should never associate with women. (Bg 18.5 purport)
Bhagavad-gita 1.37-39, London, July 27, 1973: VERY CAUTIOUS BECAUSE HE HAS GREAT RESPONSIBILITY
So this is the duty. They should be very cautious. A sannyasi, they should be very cautious. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, sannyasira alpa-chidre bahu kari' mane. An ordinary grhastha, or... Grhastha only, If he talks with woman nobody will blame. He is grhastha. But if a sannyasi talks with woman very intimately, oh, immediately people will take note of it. Sannyasira alpa-chidre bahu kari' mane. That is the practice. He should be very cautious. So a devotee, a sannyasi, they have got very, very great responsibility. People will very easily criticize them.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.10.7, Mayapura, June 22, 1973: WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF LORD CAITANYA WHO ACCEPTED SANNYASA
But Caitanya Mahaprabhu inaugurated. He Himself became sannyasa. Therefore we are trying to follow His footsteps, to accept sannyasa. But we should not become a sannyasi like Ravana. No. We should try to follow the footsteps of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He was very strict. No woman could approach Him. They were allowed to offer obeisances from distant place. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was very strict about also...
Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.6.2, Vrndavana, November 24, 1976: IF ONE IS ABLE TO STRICTLY FOLLOW THE SANNYASA RULES & REGULATIONS THEN ONLY HE SHOULD TAKE SANNYASA.
So far your suggestion that they sew clothes for the sannyasis Deities it is not possible. Sannyasis may have no connection with women. (Letter to: Jayatirtha, Calcutta, 13 January, 1976)
Sannyasis should never associate with women. (Bg 18.5 purport)
Bhagavad-gita 1.37-39, London, July 27, 1973: VERY CAUTIOUS BECAUSE HE HAS GREAT RESPONSIBILITY
So this is the duty. They should be very cautious. A sannyasi, they should be very cautious. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, sannyasira alpa-chidre bahu kari' mane. An ordinary grhastha, or... Grhastha only, If he talks with woman nobody will blame. He is grhastha. But if a sannyasi talks with woman very intimately, oh, immediately people will take note of it. Sannyasira alpa-chidre bahu kari' mane. That is the practice. He should be very cautious. So a devotee, a sannyasi, they have got very, very great responsibility. People will very easily criticize them.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.10.7, Mayapura, June 22, 1973: WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF LORD CAITANYA WHO ACCEPTED SANNYASA
But Caitanya Mahaprabhu inaugurated. He Himself became sannyasa. Therefore we are trying to follow His footsteps, to accept sannyasa. But we should not become a sannyasi like Ravana. No. We should try to follow the footsteps of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He was very strict. No woman could approach Him. They were allowed to offer obeisances from distant place. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was very strict about also...
Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.6.2, Vrndavana, November 24, 1976: IF ONE IS ABLE TO STRICTLY FOLLOW THE SANNYASA RULES & REGULATIONS THEN ONLY HE SHOULD TAKE SANNYASA.
I cried when I heard this as this is a great disgrace to Narayana Maharaja and Bhakti Prajana Kesava Maharaja and all the vaisnavas.
The test is will be if they ask him to step down from sannyasa .There was a "gay sannyasi" from Brazil that was caught in his sinful life and still after that was posing in his sannyasa vesa this is demoniac and those GBC's in ISKCON that allows this are demons, as are those in Gaudiya Samiti that allows such a fallen person to be in sannyasa dress.
vaisnava das anu das
Paramananda das
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