Sastra Caksusa

seeing through the eyes of scriptures

Raga marg and siddha pranali in the line of Lord Caitanya

dear devotees
Please accept my humble obaisences
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Since Aindra Prabhu has mentioned in his book that the goal is ragamarg but has not described it,I am trying to do so here by the mercy of Srila Prabhupada ,the vaisnavas and the mercy of the Pancatattva, and Their associates and Radha Krsna and Their associates, Srila Visvanath Chakravati Thakura has written some books most important with understanding Vaidhi and Raga marga one is Raga Vartma chandrika www.harekrsna.com/philosophy/gss/sastra/literature/texts/.../raga_v... s
I once asked an advanced vaisnava about raga marg and he advised first one should chant daily 64 rounds hear about Krsnas pastimes in Vrindavan meditate on the transcendental advises given by Srila Raghunath das Goswami in his Manah Siksa:
Instructions to the Mind"


Text 1
gurau gosthe gosthalayisu sujane bhusura-gane
sva-mantre sri-namni vraja-nava-yuva-dvandva-sarane
sada dambham hitva kuru ratim apurvam atitaram
aye svantardhatas catubhir abhiyace dhrta-padah

O mind, I grasp your feet and beg you with sweet words: Please cast away all hypocrisy and develop intense, unprecedented love for my spiritual master, Vrajabhumi, the people of Vraja, the Vaisnavas, the brahmanas, the Gayatrimantra, the holy name, and the transcendental shelter that is the fresh young couple of Vraja, Radha and Krsna.

Text 2
na dharmam nadharmam sruti-gana-niruktam kila kuru
vraje radha-krsna-pracura-paricaryam iha tanuh
saci-sunum nandisvara-pati-sutatve guru-varam
mukunda-presthatve smara padam ajasram nanu manah

O Mind, don’t concern yourself with the pious and impious deeds described in the Vedas. Rather, intently serve Sri Sri Radha-Krsna in Vraja. Always remember that Lord Caitanya is the son of Maharaja Nanda and that my guruis most dear to Lord Mukunda.

Text 3
yadiccher avasam vraja-bhuvi sa-ragam prati-janur
yuva-dvandvam tac cet paricaritum arad abhilase
svarupam sri-rupam sa-ganam iha tasyagrajam api
sphutam premna nityam smara nama tada tvam srnu manah

. O Mind, just listen to me! If you desire to reside in Vraja birth after birth, and if you desire to directly serve the divine youthful couple there with great attraction, then with intense love always remember and bow down to Srila Svarupa Damodara Gosvami; to Srila Rupa Gosvami and his elder brother, Srila Sanatana Gosvami; and to all their associates and followers.

Text 4
asad-varta-vesya visrja mati-sarvasva-haranih
katha mukti-vyaghrya na srnu kila sarvatma-gilanih
api tyaktva laksmi-pati-ratim ito vyoma-nayanim
vraje radha-krsnau sva-rati-mani-dau tvam bhaja manah
O mind, give up friendship with nondevotees, which is nothing but a prostitute who will steal the treasure of your heart–your desire to serve Radha-Krsna. Don’t listen to talks of impersonal liberation, which are a tigress who devours everyone. You should even give up attraction for Lord Narayana, which leads to the world of Vaikuntha. Instead, O mind, just worship Sri Sri Radha-Krsna in Vraja, for They bestow upon their worshipers the jewel of pure love for Themselves.

Text 5
asac-cesta-kasta-prada-vikata-pasalibhir iha
prakamam kamadi-prakata-pathapati-vyatikaraih
gale baddhva hanye ’ham iti bakabhid vartmapa-gane
kuru tvam phutkaran avati sa yatha tvam mana itah

The highwaymen of lust and his friends have bound me around the neck with the painful, horrible, powerful ropes of many wicked deeds. O mind, please scream out to the devotees of Krsna, the killer of Baka, "I am being killed!" Then He will save me.

Text 6
are cetah prodyat-kapata-kuti-nati-bhara-khara-
ksaran-mutre snatva dahasi katham atmanam api mam
sada tvam gandharva-giridhari-pada-prema-vilasat-
sudhambhodhau snatva svam api nitaram mam ca sukhaya

O Mind, why do you burn us both by bathing in the urine trickling from the ass of great deviousness and hypocrisy? Instead, you should delight us by eternally bathing in the glistening nectar-ocean of pure love for Sri Sri Gandharva-Giridhari (Sri Sri Radha-Krsna).

Text 7
pratisthasa dhrsta svapaca-ramani me hrdi natet
katham sadhu-prema sprsati sucir etan nanu manah
sada tvam sevasva prabhu-dayita-samantam atulam
yatha tam niskasya tvaritam iha tam vesayati sah

as long as the impudent untouchable woman of the desire for fame dances in my heart, why should pure love for Radha-Krsna touch me? O mind, continuously serve my spiritual master, the leader of those who are dear to the Lord. Then my master will quickly kick out that harridan and allow that pure love to enter.

Text 8
yatha dustatvam me darayati sathasyapi krpaya
yatha mahyam premamrtam api dadaty ujjvalam asau
atha sri-gandharva-bhajana-vidhaye prerayati mam
tatha gosthe kakva giridharam iha tvam bhaja manah

So That He will mercifully smash my wickedness (even though I am a great rascal), so that He will give me the splendid nectar of transcendental love, and so He will engage me in Sri Radha’s service, please, O mind, with words choked with emotion, worship Lord Giridhari here in Vraja.

Text 9
mad-isa-nathatve vraja-vipina-candram vraja-vane-
svarim tan-nathatve tad-atula-sakhitve tu lalitam
visakham siksali-vitarana-gurutve priya-saro-
girindrau tat-preksa-lalita-rati-datve smara manah

O mind, please meditate on Krsna, the moon of Vraja forest, as the Lord of my controller, Srimati Radharani. And please meditate upon Srimati Radharani, the queen of Vraja forest, as Krsna’s controller. Also please meditate upon Lalita as the peerless friend of Radha and Krsna, Visakha as the guru who teaches Them many things, and Radha-kunda and Govardhana Hill as two places the mere sight of which bestows charming transcendental love for the divine couple.

Text 10
ratim gauri-lile api tapati saundarya-kiranaih
saci-laksmi-satyah paribhavati saubhagya-balanaih
vasi-karais candravali-mukha-navina-vraja-satih
ksipaty arad ya tam hari-dayita-radham bhaja manah

O mind, please worship Lord Hari’s beloved Radha. with the splendor of Her beauty She makes Rati, Gauri, and Lila burn with envy, with the power of Her good fortune She defeats Saci, Laksmi, and Satyabhama, and with Her ability to control Krsna She completely eclipses Candravali and the other pious young girls of Vraja.

Text 11
samam sri-rupena smara-vivasa-radha-giribhrtor
vraje saksat-seva-labhana-vidhaye tad-gana-yujoh
tad-ijyakhya-dhyana-sravana-nati-païcamrtam idam
dhayan nitya govardhanam anudinam tvam bhaja manah

O mind, in order to attain the direct service of the two divine lovers, Sri Sri Radha-Giridhari, in the company of Their friends, every day you must constantly drink, with Sri Rupa Gosvami, the five nectars of worshiping Them, chanting Their names, meditating on Them, hearing about Them, and bowing down before Them, and every day you must worship Govardhana Hill.

Text 12
manah-siksa-daikadasaka-varam etam madhuraya
gira gayaty uccaih samadhi-gata-sarvartha-tati yah
sa-yuthah sri-rupanuga iha bhavan gokula-vane
jano radha-krsnatula-bhajana-ratnam sa labhate

These eleven excellent instructions to the mind grant all spiritual benedictions. A person who stays with the devotees, follows Srila Rupa Gosvami, and with a sweet voice loudly sings these eleven verses will attain the matchless jewel of direct service to Sri Sri Radha-Krsna in the forest of Gokula.


also carefully study the many teachings of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, such as Caitanya Siksamrta.
Now one vers is very important in the preliminary stages of Raganuga sadhana and even in the advanced stages of askati and bhava bhakti:
this one vers is very important also
samam sri-rupena smara-vivasa-radha-giribhrtor
vraje saksat-seva-labhana-vidhaye tad-gana-yujoh
tad-ijyakhya-dhyana-sravana-nati-païcamrtam idam
dhayan nitya govardhanam anudinam tvam bhaja manah

O mind, in order to attain the direct service of the two divine lovers, Sri Sri Radha-Giridhari, in the company of Their friends, every day you must constantly drink, with Sri Rupa Gosvami, the five nectars of worshiping Them, chanting Their names, meditating on Them, hearing about Them, and bowing down before Them, and every day you must worship Govardhana Hill.


1 worship of Radha Krsna arca Vigraha this should be done according to Dhyanchandra paddhati that also includes the Gayatris of the Pancatattva the asta shakis and asta manjaris etc,prayers to them all ,mediation on Them also mediation on Gaurangas daily asta kaliya lilas http://gauranga1.tripod.com/id49.html
2 chanting Radha Krsnas holy names, Srila Rupa Goswami has advised 64 rounds daily avoiding the 10 offences, the Maha mantra are all names of Radha Krsna only and is a Yugal Kisora Mantra.
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has sung:
song 8 of the Bhajana-lalasa section of Saranagati. The complete song goes:
.
hari he!
tomAre bhuliyA avidyA pIDAya
pIDita rasanA mora
kRSNa-nAma sudhA bhAlo nAhi lAge
viSaya sukhete bhora
O Lord Hari! I have forgotten you in the disease of ignorance and so my tongue is also diseased. It only wants to taste the flavors of the material sense objects and has no liking for the nectar of Krishna’s holy names.
prati dina jadi Adara kariyA
se nAma kIrtana kari
sitapala jena nAzi roga-mUla
krame svAdu haya hari

If one affectionately and respectfully chants the Holy Name every single day, then It will destroy the roots of our material disease and gradually become relishable, just like taking sugar candy becomes tasteful to someone with jaundice.
durdaiva AmAra se nAme Adara
nA hailo dayAmaya
daza aparAdha AmAra durdaiva
kemane hoibe kSaya
My great misfortune, O merciful one, is that I have no affection or respect for the Holy Name. My misfortune is named “the ten offenses.” How can I be rid of them?
anudina jena tava nAma gAi
kramete kRpAya tava
aparAdha jAbe nAme ruci hobe
AsvAdibo nAmAsava
If I just sing your holy names every single day, then you will eventually be merciful, O Lord! My offenses will dissipate and I will get a taste for chanting. Then will I be able to relish the nectar of the Holy Name. (Saranagati)
Srila Rupa Goswami has stated:
NoI 7: The holy name, character, pastimes and activities of Kṛṣṇa are all transcendentally sweet like sugar candy. Although the tongue of one afflicted by the jaundice of avidyā [ignorance] cannot taste anything sweet, it is wonderful that simply by carefully chanting these sweet names every day, a natural relish awakens within his tongue, and his disease is gradually destroyed at the root
Srila Prabhupadas purports to these slokas in Upasesamrta is most important to carefully study.
For devotees that are not sectarian i can recommend also to carefully read Srila Sridhara Swamis purports to Upadesamrta(Srila Prabhupadas godbrother)

http://gosai.com/sites/gosai/files/books/upadesamrta.pdf
I like to add if we expect to remove the influence of avidya we should take this instruction of Lord Caitanys very seriously:

Sri Gaurasundara spoke as follows - "The Supreme Personality of Godhead accepts service only in the home of those who chant one hundred thousand names daily. Caitanya-bhagavata Madhya Khanda 9. -122


3 meditating on Radha Krsna is meditating on Their astakaliya lilas such as described in books like Govinda lilamrta
and Krsna Bhavanamrta,10 Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam and the many books by Srila Rupa and Sanantana goswamis about Radha Krsnas lilas etc,mediating on their transcendental forms
this can also be seen in the light of Bhagavad Gita 6.47 for example:

yoginam api sarvesam
mad-gatenantar-atmana
shraddhavan bhajate yo mam
sa me yuktatamo matah
"And of all yogis, the one with great faith who always abides in Me, thinks of Me within himself, and renders transcendental loving service to Me—he is the most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all. That is My opinion."
Real yoga is to remember Radha Krsna,this is explained by Srila Rupa Goswami in the Nectar of Instruction:


tan-nāma-rūpa-caritādi-sukīrtanānu-
smṛtyoḥ krameṇa rasanā-manasī niyojya
tiṣṭhan vraje tad-anurāgi janānugāmī
kālaḿ nayed akhilam ity upadeśa-sāram


TRANSLATION

The essence of all advice is that one should utilize one's full time — twenty-four hours a day — in nicely chanting and remembering the Lord's divine name, transcendental form, qualities and eternal pastimes, thereby gradually engaging one's tongue and mind. In this way one should reside in Vraja [Goloka Vṛndāvana dhāma] and serve Kṛṣṇa under the guidance of devotees. One should follow in the footsteps of the Lord's beloved devotees, who are deeply attached to His devotional service.
http://vedabase.net/noi/8/en

Devotees also remember Krsnas instructions in the Bhagavad Gita,Srimad Bhagavatam and CC and CB etc and carefully study these sastras with other devotees

this is really part 3 and 4
"meditating on Them, hearing about Them" because the whole goal of studying Srimad Bhagavatam is to always remember Radha Krishna , by smaranam ,kirtanam

," and bowing down before Them"
Krsna says in Bhagavad Gita:

man-mana bhava mad-bhakto
mad-yaji mam namaskuru
mam evaishyasi yuktvaivam
atmanam mat-parayanah
"Engage your mind always in thinking of Me, become My devotee, offer obeisances to Me and worship Me. Being completely absorbed in Me, surely you will come to Me."

One can not artificially think I am a ragamarg bhakta I do not need to pay obaisences to Radha Krsna, this is the mentality of Romarharsana Suta, that was killed by the kusa grass weapon of the Adi Guru Lord Ballarama.We should fear not to offer obaisences
to the Supreme Lord.
SB 6.8.17: May Sanat-kumāra protect me from lusty desires. As I begin some auspicious activity, may Lord Hayagrīva protect me from being an offender by neglecting to offer respectful obeisances to the Supreme Lord. May Devarṣi Nārada protect me from committing offenses in worshiping the Deity, and may Lord Kūrma, the tortoise, protect me from falling to the unlimited hellish planets.
Even Lord Brahma is offering prayers to Krsna as we see in Brahma Vimohana lila and he is the founder of our sampradaya,see SB 10.chapter 14.
We may ask but wait did Lord Brahma not realize that he is a gopi ,so why is he commiting such mistakes as stealing Krsnas calves and cowhered boys as described in SB 10 canto chapter 13.?

In Brahma Samhita we can read:
Śrī Brahma-saḿhitā 5.28

trayyā prabuddho 'tha vidhir
vījñāta-tattva-sāgaraḥ
tuṣṭāva veda-sāreṇa
stotreṇānena keśavam


TRANSLATION

Enlightened by the recollection of that Gāyatrī, embodying the three Vedas, Brahmā became acquainted with the expanse of the ocean of truth. Then he worshiped Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the essence of all Vedas, with this hymn.
PURPORT by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada

Brahmā thought thus within himself, "By the recollection of kāma-gāyatrī it seems to me that I am the eternal maidservant of Kṛṣṇa." Though the other mysteries in regard to the condition of the maidservant of Kṛṣṇa were not revealed to him, Brahmā, by dint of his searching self-consciousness, became well acquainted with the ocean of truth. All the truths of the Vedas were revealed to him and with the help of those essences of the Vedas he offered this hymn to the Supreme Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa. ŚrīmānMahāprabhu has taught this hymn to His favorite disciples in as much as it fully contains all the transcendental truths regarding the Vaiṣṇava philosophy. Readers are requested to study and try to enter into the spirit of his hymn with great care and attention, as a regular daily function.
So this is the important part in this connection:
Brahmā thought thus within himself, "By the recollection of kāma-gāyatrī it seems to me that I am the eternal maidservant of Kṛṣṇa." Though the other mysteries in regard to the condition of the maidservant of Kṛṣṇa were not revealed to him, Brahmā

So what are these mysteries? This is known as ekadasa bhava there is a nice article about this at
http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET9810/ET14-2357.html

basically Ekadasa bhava refers too when a vaisnava realizes his/hers constitutional position in relationship to Krsna:
first of all we need to realize we are eternal servants of Krsna :

Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Madhya 20.108-109

jivera 'svarupa' haya -- krishnera 'nitya-dasa'
krishnera 'tatastha-sakti' 'bhedabheda-prakasa'
suryamsa-kirana, yaiche agni-jvala-caya
svabhavika krishnera tina-prakara 'sakti' haya


"It is the living entity's constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Krishna because he is the marginal energy ofKrishna and a manifestation simultaneously one with and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire.Krishna has three varieties of energy

Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Madhya 20.110

eka-desa-sthitasyagner
jyotsna vistarini yatha
parasya brahmanah saktis
tathedam akhilam jagat


TRANSLATION

"'Just as the illumination of a fire, which is situated in one place, is spread all over, the energies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Parabrahman, are spread all over this universe.'
PURPORT

This is a quotation from the Vishnu Purana (1.22.53).
Brahma realized the beginning stages of his Sthaiyabhava as a gopis however he did not realize:
1.. Nama (name)
SriRupamanjarityadi namakhyan anurupatah

cintaniyam yatayogyam svanama vrajasubhruvam

"As Sri Rupa Manjari and the other Vraja-devis have individual names, the sadhaka also has a manjari name which is to be meditated upon."
(other devotees that have a different relationships with Krsna will also realize their name in that service, but conjugal rasa is the highest so it is mentioned by our acaryas)
Lord Brahma did not realize his spiritual name in Goloka Vrindavan as a gopi
2 Rupa (form)
the spiritual form is revealed
3 Vayasa (age) mostly the kaisora form is meditated on when revealed because this is the primary form of the nitya parishads of Krsna
4 Vesha (dress) all the nitya parishas of Radha Krsna has specific dresses,just liek Rupa Manjari has dress "peacock dress"like the feathers of the peacock
5 Sambandha (relationship)
Arcana-smarana-paddhati:

sevya sevaka sambandhah svamanovrtti bhedatah

pranatyaghapi sambandham na kada parivarttayet

"Due to the particular desire of the sadhaka the relationship between the worshipper and the worshippable is adjusted. In life or death this sambandha can never be broken.

. .6 Yutha (group) just like some manjaris serve under Srila Rupa Manjari and some the sakhas serve under Subal or other gopas
again Srila Prabhupadas purport to Nectar instruction vers 8 is most important: http://vedabase.net/noi/8/en
Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu(1.2.294):
kṛṣṇaḿ smaran janaḿ cāsya
preṣṭhaḿ nija-samīhitam
tat-tat-kathā-rataś cāsau
kuryād vāsaḿ vraje sadā
"A devotee should always reside in the transcendental realm of Vraja and always engage in kṛṣṇaḿ smaran janaḿ cāsyapreṣṭham, the remembrance of Śrī Kṛṣṇa and His beloved associates. By following in the footsteps of such associates and by entering under their eternal guidance, one can acquire an intense desire to serve the Supreme Personality of Godhead."
Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī also states in Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu (1.2.295):
sevā sādhaka-rūpeṇa
siddha-rūpeṇa cātra hi
tad-bhāva-lipsunā kāryā
vraja-lokānusārataḥ
"In the transcendental realm of Vraja [Vraja-dhāma] one should serve the Supreme Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, with a feeling similar to that of His associates, and one should place himself under the direct guidance of a particular associate of Kṛṣṇa and should follow in his footsteps. This method is applicable both in the stage of sādhana [spiritual practices executed while in the stage of bondage] and in the stage of sādhya [God realization], when one is a siddha-puruṣa, or a spiritually perfect soul.

7 the next is Ajna (order) that is given by ones group leader in regards to service to Radha Krsna, completly selfless service constantly performed for the satisfaction of Radha Krsna
This is opposite the material world where ones desires material sensual pleasures, material wealth and material prestige, beautiful women
etc: Lord Caitanya has prayed:


na dhanam na janam na sundarim
kavitam va jagadisa kamaye
mama janmani jamanisvare
bhavatad bhaktir ahaituki tvayi



"Lord of the universe, I do not desire material wealth,
materialistic followers, a beautiful wife or fruitive activities
described in flowery language. All I want, life after life, is
unmotivated devotional service unto You."

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has given an important purport:
Sri Sanmodana Bhasyam

The sadhaka must attentively receive the sound of the holy name
from the spiritual master; thereafter he may chant the namedevoid of
namaparadhas. By this process, the previously mentioned four
qualities will gradually appear in his heart.
But if the sadhaka's attachment to sensual pleasures is
notsevered, his original spiritual identity cannot manifest.
Thusbhakti, the flavor of the hladini potency, cannot be
transformedinto the bhava of conjugal attraction.
This verse explains the pure form of sadhana-bhakti
(heresadhana-bhakti means the process of chanting) in two ways.
Thedirect explanation stresses the principal symptom of bhakti,which
is loving devotional service to Sri Krsna (bhavabhakti); while the
expressions 'na dhanam na janam ...' point to theattendant symptom of
pure bhakti.
The secondary symptom of bhakti has two concomitants - freedom
from all other desires (anyabhilasita sunyam) outside thepath of
bhakti, and the absence of the influence of karma andjnana. As long
as loving devotion to Krsna (anukulyam krsnaanusilam) is encumbered
by anyabhilasitam, karma, jnana, yoga andso on, bhakti cannot be
uttama (exalted); it is visible merely asshadow devotion or
bhakti-abhasa.

How to cross beyond bhaktiabhasa

This sloka in fact reveals how this shadow bhakti is to be
dissipated. It is stated here, `O Lord! I do not hanker fordhanam
(wealth), janam (following), or sundarim kavitam (beautiful poetry or
literature).' Here dhanam means the wealth ofpiety incurred by
strictly following the path of varnasrama(which includes
materialistic karma-kanda activities and so on).Further clarified,
dhanam implies all the paraphernalia, grossand subtle, required to
fulfill a person's desires for sense enjoyment in this world and in
heaven. The word janam indicateswife, sons, servants, subjects,
friends, relatives, and so on.
Education or learning is correctly defined as the culturethat
promotes attraction to and attachment for the lotus feet ofthe
Supreme Lord. The expression sundarim kavitam does not referto
narratives of Lord Krsna's pastimes, or conclusive philosophical
examinations of scripture, or transcendental literatures orpoetry;
rather, it refers to mundane literatures and compositions. Such
trivia are rejected. And what is desired? Theloving service of Krsna,
even in birth after birth; let it beunwavering devotion devoid of any
conditions.
Unconditional devotion means that which is guided by
noconsideration other than Krsna's satisfaction.

Pure devotion never depends on liberation

In the jiva's struggle to be victorious over all the manymiseries
suffered in the cycle of repeated birth and death,ultimate victory
lies ever beyond his capacity - it dependsentirely on the Supreme
Lord's will. All misery will automatically cease when, by the Lord's
desire, the jiva is saved fromthe cycle of birth and death.
Therefore, what is the use of aGodless prayer for liberation that
violates the precepts of puredevotion?

This prayer of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu expresses the
soul'surgent need of bhavabhakti over all else: "Without waiting
for the cycle of birth and death to be stopped by the Lord's grace,let
me now have unconditional devotion at Krsna's lotus feet lifeafter
life, regardless of what my present material situation is."

Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Antya 20.27,28,30:

"As Lord Caitanya spoke in this way, His humility increased
and He began praying to Krsna that He could discharge pure
devotional service.

"Wherever there is a relationship of love of Godhead, its
natural symptom is that the devotee does not think himself a
devotee. Instead, he always thinks that he has not even a dropof love for Krsna.

"'My dear Lord Krsna, I do not want material wealth from You, nor
do I want followers, a beautiful wife or the results of fruitive
activities. I only pray that by Your causeless mercyYou give Me pure
devotional service to You, life after life.'"

Commentary

"O Lord of the universe! I have no desire for material wealth,
following, or beautiful poetry. You are my object ofworship and
devotional service life after life; I only pray thatI may have
unconditional love and devotion at Your lotus feet."

Sundarim kavitam refers to dharma, religious principlesfound in
the Vedas; dhanam means artha, or wealth; janam meanswife, children,
relatives etc., who are the objects of kama (socalled love, or lust).
The Lord declares, "I am not merelyabhorred by sense gratification
derived through religiosity,wealth and lust, but I am appalled at the
idea of transitory liberation from the cycle of birth and death. I
do not wantthese four Vedic goals (dharma, artha, kama, moksha) to be
thecause for My rendering service at Your lotus feet." A prayer
by King Kulasekara has similarly expressed this mood of puredevotion.
Persons who strictly adhere to Vedic dharma worship Surya(the
sungod); those who desire wealth worship Ganesa; thosecraving carnal
pleasures worship sakti (Kali, Durga); those whostrive for liberation
or mukti worship Siva; and those whoworship Lord Visnu as the source
of Vedas do so for materialmotives. All these grades of worshippers
are contaminated bymaterialism and are never to be considered as pure
devotees. This type of Vedic worship is known as pancopasana or the
worshipof five demigods; whether it is performed with or
withoutmaterial desires hardly makes a difference, for such worship
isin fact impersonal in any case. Lord Visnu can be worshippedpurely
and properly only by unmotivated devotional service.

Scriptural statements relevant to this sloka:

bhavatad bhakti ahaituki
"Causeless devotional service"

Srimad Bhagavatam 6.11.25:

"O my Lord, source of all opportunities, I do not desire enjoy in
Dhruvaloka, the heavenly planets or the planet where Lord Brahma
resides, nor do I want to be supreme ruler of all theearthly planets
or the powers of mystic yoga, nor do I want liberation if I have to
give up Your lotus feet."

Srimad Bhagavatam 11.2.42:

"Devotion, direct experience of the Supreme Lord, and detachment
from other things - these three occur simultaneously for one who has
taken shelter of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, in the same way
as pleasure, nourishment and relief fromhunger come simultaneously
and increasingly, with each bite, for a person engaged in eating."

Srimad Bhagavatam 1.5.18:

"Persons who are actually intelligent and philosophically
inclined should endeavour only for that purposeful end which is
not obtainable even by wandering from the topmost planet
(Brahmaloka) down to the lowest planet (Patala). As far as
happiness derived from sense enjoyment is concerned it can be
obtained automatically in course of time, just as in course of
time we obtain miseries even though we do not desire them."

See also Madhurya Kadambhini by Srila Visvanath Chakravati Thakura
http://www.saragrahi.org/Header%20Links/Madhurya%20Kadambini/Conten...

8 Seva (service) paticular service is given according to the sadhakas in serving Radha Krishna by the group leader Yutesvaras(yutesvaris)

9.. Parakastha (one«s supreme ambition)
Arcana-smarana-paddhati:

sri radhakrishnoryad tad rupamanjarikadya

prapta nityasakhitanca tatha syamiti bhavayet

"I shall become a nitya-sakhi (manjari) and serve Radha and Krishna in the footsteps of Sri Rupa Manjari - this is my parakastha."

10.. Palyadasi (the mood of being a fostered maidservant)
Arcana-smarana-paddhati:

palyadasi sa ca prokta paripalya priyamvada

svamanovrtti rupena ya nitya paricarika

"By remaining under the care and protection of a senior Vraja-gopi, the sadhaka-manjari is referred to as her palyadasi."

11.. Nivasa (kunja of residence)
Arcana-smarana-paddhati:

nivaso vraja madhye tu radhakrishna sthali mata

vamsivatasca sri nandisvarasca apyati kautukah

"Within Vraja-mandala at Vamsi-vata, Nandisvara, etc., Radha-Krishna enact their nitya-vihara; those lila-sthalis are the residence for my siddha-deha."

http://nitaai.net/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1663
We are not allowed to find faults with Lord Brahma who is the Guru of the universe and the first Mahajan, but he obviously had not realized the full fledged relationship with Krsna as a gopi, otherwise he would never have been bewildered by Krsnas oplulences in Vrindavan.
However he later appeared in Lord Caitanys lilas and became Haridas Thakura there he was constantly engaged in chanting Hare Krishnaand preaching,Though it is not mentioned it seems a natrual conclusion to at least myself that after appearing as Haridas Thakura Lord Brahma would fully understand all the ekadasa bhavas also
your humble servant

Paramananda das
see also http://gosai.com/writings/saraswati-prabhupada-parampara-ii

Srila Prabhupada was concerned ISKCON become preoccupied with false siddha pranali like the sahajiyas, but there is real
siddha pranali and false siddha pranali maybe one 10th of one one percent are even a bit qualified for such things,so much qualifikation is needed

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Comment by Paramananda das on November 16, 2010 at 7:13am
Srila Prabhupada: The siddha-pranali process is followed by a class of men who are not very authorized and who have manufactured their own way of devotional service. They imagine they have become associates of the Lord simply by thinking of themselves like that.

This external behavior is not at all according to the regulative principles. The so-called siddha-pranali process is followed by the prakrita-sahajiya, a pseudosect of so-called Vaishnavas. In the opinion of Rupa Gosvami, such activities are simply disturbances to the standard way of devotional service. Sri Rupa Gosvami says that learned acharyas recommend that we follow the regulative principles even after the development of spontaneous love for Krishna. -- Nectar of Devotion 16

To speculate on what your eternal position with Krishna is, or to have some one tell you what it is, is a sign of a prakrta-sahajiya. You will know when you get to that platform. It is irrelevant in the practice of bhakti yoga to speculate on this. Srila Prabhupada says, "That will be revealed when you are liberated. Why you are bothering now?" (Morning Walk, 6-7-76, LA)

According to the Vedanta Sutra (4.4.1) and Sri Sanatana Goswami (Brhadbagavatamrtam, 2.2), a soul never gets given a spiritual body at any time. The spiritual body is an eternal and inseparable facet of the individual soul, the jiva-atma. The spiritual form of the self is eternally and inseparably connected to the individual self. My spiritual body is inseparable from me and, though dormant, my spiritual body has been with me for all of eternity. When a soul desires to render service to the Lord in his spiritual form then the dormant spiritual body becomes fully manifest. This is clearly stated to be the case in the Vedanta Sutra and in more recent texts such as Sri Sanatana Goswami's book Brhadbhagavatamrtam. It is utterly wrong to think that a soul can be given a spiritual body.

Srila Prabhupada Conversations, Morning Walk, 6-7-76, LA

Prabhupada: In this sahajiya party, then preaching will be finished. Siddha-pranali. Then everything will be finished. Preaching will be finished.
Tamala Krsna: What does that mean, Srila Prabhupada, siddha-pranali?
Prabhupada: Siddha-pranali is nonsense. They have manufactured a siddha-pranali.
Ramesvara: [break] ...the initiation that you are given your siddhas, your eternal position.
Prabhupada: They have learned it from these Radha-kunda babajis.
Tamala Krsna: From Radha-kunda babajis?
Prabhupada: Babajis, yes. After all, they're fool, rascals, so whatever they say. Let them say all nonsense. They are disqualified. Sahajiya babajis, that's all.
Ramesvara: Srila Prabhupada, when the devotee is in the original relationship with Krsna, his siddha-deha, why is it that he sometimes changes his original rasa with Krsna?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Ramesvara: Each one of us has an original relationship with Krsna, some as plant, some as tree, some as cow, some as cowherd boy. So if that is re-established, why should the devotee desire to change it?
Prabhupada: Well, that is spiritual kingdom. You can change if you like.
Tamala Krsna: It is not static, Prabhupada once explained. Love is not static.
Prabhupada: Generally, it is not changed. Just like mother Yasoda, she's mother all the time, eternally.
Tamala Krsna: The question came in Bombay two or three years ago. Prabhupada said that it is not static. You can have (inaudible).
Hari-sauri: I always understood before that the rasa was fixed, but that within that rasa one may take different..., one may take a different line.
Prabhupada: That will be revealed when you are liberated. Why you are bothering now?
Prabhupada: A patient is thinking, "How shall I dance when I become healthy?" First of all, rascal, become healthy, then talk of all this. The rascals are thinking like that. You are patient; first of all cure your disease, material disease. Then talk of all this. Utopian. "When I will get rich, how I shall treat.... I shall.... Then my wife is disobedient and I shall kick her like this," (laughter)
Ramesvara: That's the point.

"A bhakta will naturally be attracted towards a specific bhava and mood of service. It is inherent within the bhakta. Everyone is different." That is the whole point.

To speculate on what your eternal position with Krishna is, or to have some one tell you what it is, is a sign of a prakrta-sahajiya. You will know when you get to that platform. It is irrelevant in the practice of bhakti yoga to speculate on this. Srila Prabhupada says: "That will be revealed when you are liberated. Why you are bothering now?"
Comment by Paramananda das on November 16, 2010 at 7:27am
there is so much manufacturing of devotional service like many thinks it is ok to take grains on Visnutattva apperance days, or to smear Lord Narasimhadevs body in sandesh and then take such " Mahaprasadam"
when you are supposedto fast for Lord Narasimhadevs apperance, many do not chant even 16 rounds and follow strictly 4 regulative principles where is the question of Raga marg ,what to speak of Siddha pranali.Where do we find any devotees that will hear and chant about Lord Caitanya and Krsna for hours and not expecting any profit,simply for the satisfaction of Mahaprabhu and Radha Krsna?Where do we find a sannyasi that is not interested in in personal wealth, what to speak of the other asramas? So many persons wants to be so great and see themselves in samadhis and puspa samadhis when they have no such qualifikations.Gaura Kisora das Babaji showed how to give up all such kinds of anarthas.Many think I want to be a big man (or woman ) in ISKCON but will not sacrifice
day and night to preach KC and learn KC,many have never even read the Bhagavad Gita the CC and Srimad Bhagavatam, then why is Aindra Prabhu talking Raga marg I do not agree, but yes if one or two will do it is ok, but lets first find such qualified persons.
Comment by Paramananda das on November 16, 2010 at 7:33am
...."and every day you must worship Govardhana Hill."
Daily one also has to worship GiriGovardhana , Radha Kunda Shyma kunda and the many holy places in Vrindavan who has even been to all these places and think of them daily?
the advanced devotee must every day not only chant 64 rounds without offences but also worship GiriGovardhaan and offer many prayers begging for His mercy to be abel to reside in Vrindavan, we also daily pray to Vrinda devi in this way.
There is the prakata Vrindavan and aprakata Vrindavan, of the 2 the second is what is aspired for....

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