better to die than fall from sannysa

[Paramananda das]

I once heard about Visnujana Swami from Tamala Krsna Maharaja in Vrindavan, he stated Visnujana asked the question about Chota Haridasa ,and Srila Prabhupada confirmed it is better to commit suicide than fall down as a sannyasi, but then stated that one should just stay on in KC, but I personally take it that Visnujana Swami is a reminder how strict a sannyasi should be , no one should fault him, he has shown real vaisnava character..and Srila PRabhupada confirmed that is he preaching in the heavenly planets,should not be seen as something fabricated.if one thinks I can take sannyasa and fall down and get married again, this is very bad for that person and for Srila Prabhupadas movement.We should see his example and take it as a warning to all of us.there is no greater dishonor than for a sannyasi to have illict sex.
I am of the opinion it is better to drown oneself in the Triveni than becoming a vantasi.Otherwise one may think ok I can marry my own disciple (as many in ISKCON have done).Visnujana Swami was a true vaisanva..he died with honor.To protect one from falling down as a sannyasi , only Sri Nama Prabhu can give one shelter, therefore if all ISKCON sannyasis chant 64 rounds they will most like never fall down.
your servant
 Paramananda das

[Paramananda das]

"Srila Prabhupada's Reaction"
Srila Prabhupada was sitting in his new quarters in Bombay when Tamal Krsna Maharaja entered. He began to tell Srila Prabhupada about the disappearance of Visnujana Maharaja. TKG said that Visnujana had not applied for a new passport to leave India and he was sure the 'white sanyasi' that the sadhus who went to the Delhi temple, talked about was Visnujana Maharaja. At this point Srila Prabhupada appeared to weep. He turned his head and gazed out the window. He said, "He did not have to do that". TKG asked if Srila Prabhupada knew where Visnujana was. Srila Prabhupada said, "Visnujana was very advanced; he's still chanting Hare Krishna. He's very advanced"! It was obvious that Srila Prabhupada did not want to talk about it anymore as he tearfully gazed out the window. About two weeks later Srila Prabhupada told us that Visnujana was chanting to him in his dreams. (Just like Chota Haridas who chanted for Lord Chaitanya.) I felt good hearing this from Srila Prabhupada. Later I also had a dream about Visnujana. I was following him up a mountain trail when he stopped and turned to me and told me to wait. He said I was not ready to go yet. I stood and watched as my first spiritual mentor disappeared up the trail like Maharaja Yudthistira.
For Visnujana; Jayananda and then Srila Prabhupada to leave the planet was a great loss for all of us. We can only remember their great pastimes and gain inspiration from that. Hopefully when it's time we'll be fortunate enough to join them again.

Here is the link to a rare and beautiful kirtan, in which Srila Prabhupada joins the now departed Visnujana Swami in the chanting of the Hare Krishna MahaMantra:

http://prabhupadaradio.com/M3U/Bhajans/m3u/VN024_06.m3u

[Paramananda das]

Sri Sri Krsna-nama-astakam
By Sri Rupa Gosvami


Verse one

nikhila-sruti-mauliratnamala
dyuti-nirajita-padapankajanta
ayi! mukta-kulair-upasyamanah
paritastvah harinama sahsrayami

"Oh my dear Harinama (Holy Name of Krsna)! You are identical with Lord
Sri Krsna's transcendental form according to all of the upanisads. The
upanisads personified glorify the effulgence emanating from Your lotus
feet. In other words, all of the personified Vedas taking shelter at
Your lotus feet sing Your transcendental glories with chosen verses
and yogis, rsis, and all kinds of liberated souls appropriately
worship Your lotus feet. Therefore, I completely surrender myself unto
Your lotus feet."

Verse two

jaya namadheya! munivrndageya!
jana-ranjanaya paramaksarakrte
tvamanadaradapi managudiritah
nikhilogratapa-patlih vilumpasi

"Oh my dear Krsna-nama (Holy Name of Krsna)! You are eternally
glorified by the realized souls! Just to attract the consciousness of
conditioned souls throughout the material universes out of Your
causeless mercy You manifest in an audible form of transcendental
sound vibration. Your mercy is so great that when someone chants You
accidentally or in neglect even for one time you destroy inconceivable
quantities of their accumulated sinful reactions from many births
together. My dear Holy Name of Krsna, all glories unto You!"

Verse three

yadabhaso 'pyudyan kavalita-bhavadhvanta-vibhavo
drsah tattvandhanamapi disati bhakta-pranayinim
janastasyodattah jagati bhagavan-nama-tarane
krti te nirvaktuh ka iha mahimanah prabhavati

"Oh my dear Holy Name of Krsna, You are more brilliant than the sun!
You are so merciful that if someone utters you out of fear or merely
as a "nama-abhasa" (imperfect stage prior to offenseless chanting)
even then Your mercy is so great that You destroy their material
ignorance and binding attachments to conditioned life and gradually
bless such conditioned souls devoid of spiritual knowledge with
transcendental knowledge of devotional service to Lord Sri Krsna! Oh
my dear Holy Name! Who in this universe can sufficiently glorify Your
transcendental qualities even amongst the great realized souls? All
glories unto You!"

Verse four

yad brahma saksat-krtinistayapi
vinasamayati vina na bhogaih
apaiti nama! sphuranena tatte
prarabdha karmeti virauti vedah

"By unbroken and concentrated meditation upon the impersonal Brahman
one is unable to destroy the primordial sinful and pious karmic
reactions which lie beyond the immediate renunciation of material
enjoyments but come from time immemorial. However, my dear Holy Name!
By Your vibrating on the tip of the tongue, in other words, by merely
pronouncing You these primordial karmic reactions are destroyed!"

Verse five

aghadamana-yasodanandanau nandasuno
kamalanayana-gopicandra-vrndavanedrah
pranata-karuna-krsna-vityaneka-svarupe
tvayi mama ratiruccairvardhatah namadheya

"My dear killer of the Aghasura! My dear beloved son of Mother Yasoda!
My dear son of Maharaja Nanda! My dear Lotus-eyed! My dear beloved of
the gopis! My dear Lord of Vrndavana! My dear worshipful merciful
Lord! My dear Lord Krsna! Oh my beloved Holy Name in these and Your
countless other forms! You manifest Your transcendental vibration in
this world to deliver the conditioned souls from the bondage of the
repetition of birth and death in material life out of Your causeless
and inconceivable mercy! My dear Holy Name! May spontaneous attraction
for chanting You increase unlimitedly by Your causeless mercy upon
me!"

Verse six

vacyah vacakamityudeti bhavato nama-svarupa-dvayah
purvasmat parameva hanta karunah tatrapi janimahe
yastasmin vihitaparadhanivah pranisamantad-bhave
dasyenedamupasya so 'pi hi sadanandambudhau majjati

"Dear Holy Name! You exist in two transcendental forms (svarupas),
namely: (1) One form is Your personal form of bliss as the Supreme
Living Person-the object of glorifications in transcendental sound;
and (2) another form is Your form as the Holy Name such as "Krsna",
"Govinda" and other transcendental names which indicate or describe
Your transcendental pastime forms of bliss. You are one and the same
ever-existent in these two transcendental forms. Of the two, I
consider that Your audible form as the Holy Name such as "Krsna,
Govinda, etc." is more merciful than Your visible personal form as the
Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is because if someone is engaged
in worshiping Your Deity forms and subsequently becomes implicated in
offenses and then takes shelter of Your transcendental form as the
Holy Name chanting "Krsna, Govinda, etc." while worshiping You, My
dear Holy Name, You, out of Your causeless mercy, purify that person
of all kinds of offenses and he is able to relish the nectar of the
unlimited ocean of transcendental bliss."

Verse seven

suditasrita janartirasaye
ramya-cidaghana-sukha svarupine
nama! gokula-mahotsavaya te
krsna purna-vapuse namo namah

"Oh my dear Holy Name! Oh beloved identical form of Krsna in sound!
The devotees who take shelter of Your lotus feet through constantly
chanting You are even saved from destruction due to offenses against
the Holy Name (nama-aparadha) out of Your causeless mercy. You are
manifest as the Supreme Personal Form of concentrated transcendental
ecstasy! You are personally the form of transcendental happiness and a
daily festival for the residents of Gokula (Vrndavana-dhama). You are
the full form of transcendental glory and eternal bliss through which
You manifest through nectarean loving exchanges with Your devotees.
Therefore, my dear Holy Name of Krsna, I offer again and again my
respectful obeisances unto Your lotus feet!"

Verse eight

narada-virnojjivana! sudhormi-niryasa-madhuripura
tvah krsna-nama kamah sphura me rasane rasena sada

"Oh my dear Holy Name of Krsna! You are the life and soul of the
"vina" [stringed instrument like a tamboura] of Devarsi Narada Muni!
You are an eternal tidal wave of full transcendental nectar! I humbly
fall at Your lotus feet and beg for Your causeless mercy to make me
always fixed in Your service so that You may always dance tirelessly
on my tongue, i.e. kindly bless me that I may always be engaged in
chanting You without cessation."

[Paramananda das]

if we see it in the light of this information below,we can take Visnujana swamis falldown as
a strict lesson like Chota Haridas, in that sense Vsinujana Swami becomes the Chota Haridasa of "Prabhupadas lilas" setting an example for all future generations as well as present
http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/42356-who-...

Before Visnujana joined the Hare Krishna Movement back in the 60's he had separated from his wife and daughter. He talked to them at the 1975 San Francisco Rathayatra for about an hour. Visnujana heard that it was considered a 'falldown' for him to talk to his ex-wife since he was a sanyasi. Although I'm sure Visnujana was pure in his intentions; he still felt guilty as charged. This bothered him for quite some time. He came to India for the 1976 Goura-pournima festival. Visnujana Swami approached Srila Prabhupada who was walking on his rooftop and asked him what a sanyasi should do if he 'falls down'. Srila Prabhupada answered that like Chota Haridas he should commit suicide. There were quite a few devotees crowded around Srila Prabhupada as he walked. Srila Prabhupada hesitated for a moment and continued; but in this age the atonement is to just re-engage in devotional service. Visnujana Swami didn't hear this part. He thought Srila Prabhupada had already answered his question and he faded to the back of the crowd. That night Visnujana disappeared. He went to where Chota Haridas, from Chaitanya lila, committed suicide at Prayag and paid a few sadhus to help him with the ultimate sacrifice. They chanted special mantras so that he would not talk a 'ghost body.' Then rocks were tied to his cloth and he jumped off the boat into the Holy Waters. The Sadhus went to the New Delhi temple and told them about the 'white sanyasi' and what had happened. As the news spread around the world we were/are all deeply saddened by the event.

[Paramananda das]

His socalled falldown was innocent, and like Chota Haridasa served a purpose

[Paramananda das]

my response to Pusta Krsna on dandavats.com:
dear Pusta Krsna Prabhu
Please accept my humble obaisences
All glories to Srila prabhupada
I have been told that Vinujana Prabhu saw his ex wife and daughter, at a Ratha Yatra the year before, and someone told him that is a falldown for a sannyasi.And hearing Srila Prabhupadas statements how strict a sannyasi should be ;:quoting the example of Chota Haridas.Visnujane thean left and went to Prayag and left his body.I do not like the undetone that there is something wrong with what he did.Some may say he was immature, but I do not judge him.Similarly I surely will not judge you and others that fell from sannyasa.Srila Prabhupada did say and it is confirmed by sastra one brings great dishonor on one self,and Srila Prabhupadas movement.
What to speak of the reactions that comes from falling from sannyasa.But Srila Prabhupada encouraged everyone to just continue as becoming a devotee is declaring war on maya.Krsna has warned us in Bhagavad Gita not to fault the fallen devotees to much.
Api ced sudaracaro...This having been set, sannyasis falling down may then be seen for futher persons taking sannyasa:"Oh it is not so strict".I think you get my point.Staying a sannyasi after falling is not the honest thing.You took Srila Prabhupadas advise and got married, so you are a respectabel vaisnava in my humble opinion and a dear disciple of Srila Prabhupada.As far as being a vantasi.. almost every one in this material world is chewing their own "vomit" ..keep chewing the chewed stale taste of sex life the binding force to the material world (see SB 7.9.45) ,Srila Prabhupada asked everyone to take to seriously and constantly chanting the Maha mantra, this will be our only saving grace.
your servant
Payonidhi das

[Paramananda das]

The fact is one should be carefull to not fall from any postion in devotional service this is the lesson to be learned.Suicide is not what Srila Prabhupada recommended, but to continue in devotional service.Lord Caitanya set a high example for sannyasa, as He is the Supreme Lord Himself...we should keep the example of Chota Haridas always in mind, and in my humble opinion Visnujana Swami, and stay strong in KC our asrama and varna

[Paramananda das]

8.2.30

tato gajendrasya mano-balaujasāḿ

kālena dīrgheṇa mahān abhūd vyayaḥ

vikṛṣyamāṇasya jale 'vasīdato

viparyayo 'bhūt sakalaḿ jalaukasaḥ

SYNONYMS

tataḥ — thereafter; gaja-indrasya — of the King of the elephants; manaḥ — of the strength of enthusiasm; bala — the physical strength; ojasām — and the strength of the senses; kālena — because of years of fighting; dīrgheṇa — prolonged; mahān — great; abhūt — became; vyayaḥ — the expenditure; vikṛṣyamāṇasya — who was being pulled (by the crocodile); jale — into the water (a foreign place); avasīdataḥ — reduced (mental, physical and sensory strength); viparyayaḥ — the opposite; abhūt — became; sakalam — all of them; jala-okasaḥ — the crocodile, whose home is the water.

TRANSLATION

Thereafter, because of being pulled into the water and fighting for many long years, the elephant became diminished in his mental, physical and sensual strength. The crocodile, on the contrary, being an animal of the water, increased in enthusiasm, physical strength and sensual power.

PURPORT

In the fighting between the elephant and the crocodile, the difference was that although the elephant was extremely powerful, he was in a foreign place, in the water. During one thousand years of fighting, he could not get any food, and under the circumstances his bodily strength diminished, and because his bodily strength diminished, his mind also became weak and his senses less powerful. The crocodile, however, being an animal of the water, had no difficulties. He was getting food and was therefore getting mental strength and sensual encouragement. Thus while the elephant became reduced in strength, the crocodile became more and more powerful. Now, from this we may take the lesson that in our fight with māyā we should not be in a position in which our strength, enthusiasm and senses will be unable to fight vigorously. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement has actually declared war against the illusory energy, in which all the living entities are rotting in a false understanding of civilization. The soldiers in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement must always possess physical strength, enthusiasm and sensual power. To keep themselves fit, they must therefore place themselves in a normal condition of life. What constitutes a normal condition will not be the same for everyone, and therefore there are divisions of varṇāśrama — brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, brahmacarya, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. Especially in this age, Kali-yuga, it is advised that no one take sannyāsa.

aśvamedhaḿ gavālambhaḿ

sannyāsaḿ pala-paitṛkam

devareṇa sutotpattiḿ

kalau pañca vivarjayet

[Cc. Ādi 17.164]

(Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa)

From this we can understand that in this age the sannyāsa-āśrama is forbidden because people are not strong. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu showed us an example in taking sannyāsa at the age of twenty-four years, but even Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya advised Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu to be extremely careful because He had taken sannyāsa at an early age. For preaching we give young boys sannyāsa, but actually it is being experienced that they are not fit for sannyāsa. There is no harm, however, if one thinks that he is unfit for sannyāsa; if he is very much agitated sexually, he should go to the āśrama where sex is allowed, namely the gṛhastha-āśrama. That one has been found to be very weak in one place does not mean that he should stop fighting the crocodile of māyā. One should take shelter of the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, as we shall see Gajendra do, and at the same time one can be a gṛhastha if he is satisfied with sexual indulgence. There is no need to give up the fight. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore recommended, sthāne sthitāḥ śruti-gatāḿ tanu-vān-manobhiḥ. One may stay in whichever āśrama is suitable for him; it is not essential that one take sannyāsa. If one is sexually agitated, he can enter the gṛhastha-āśrama. But one must continue fighting. For one who is not in a transcendental position, to take sannyāsa artificially is not a very great credit. If sannyāsa is not suitable, one may enter the gṛhastha-āśrama and fight māyā with great strength. But one should not give up the fighting and go away.

[Paramananda das]

dear Chandra Bhanu Prabhu

Please accept my humble obaisences

All glories to Srila Prabhupada
The fact is one should be carefull to not fall from any postion in devotional service this is the lesson to be learned.Suicide is not what Srila Prabhupada recommended, but to continue in devotional service.Lord Caitanya set a high example for sannyasa, as He is the Supreme Lord Himself...we should keep the example of Chota Haridas always in mind, and in my humble opinion Visnujana Swami, and stay strong in KC our asrama and varna, Srila Prabhupada has explained this nicely in SB 8.2.30 purport:

Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 8.2.30

tato gajendrasya mano-balaujasāḿ

kālena dīrgheṇa mahān abhūd vyayaḥ

vikṛṣyamāṇasya jale 'vasīdato

viparyayo 'bhūt sakalaḿ jalaukasaḥ

SYNONYMS

tataḥ — thereafter; gaja-indrasya — of the King of the elephants; manaḥ — of the strength of enthusiasm; bala — the physical strength; ojasām — and the strength of the senses; kālena — because of years of fighting; dīrgheṇa — prolonged; mahān — great; abhūt — became; vyayaḥ — the expenditure; vikṛṣyamāṇasya — who was being pulled (by the crocodile); jale — into the water (a foreign place); avasīdataḥ — reduced (mental, physical and sensory strength); viparyayaḥ — the opposite; abhūt — became; sakalam — all of them; jala-okasaḥ — the crocodile, whose home is the water.

TRANSLATION

Thereafter, because of being pulled into the water and fighting for many long years, the elephant became diminished in his mental, physical and sensual strength. The crocodile, on the contrary, being an animal of the water, increased in enthusiasm, physical strength and sensual power.

PURPORT

In the fighting between the elephant and the crocodile, the difference was that although the elephant was extremely powerful, he was in a foreign place, in the water. During one thousand years of fighting, he could not get any food, and under the circumstances his bodily strength diminished, and because his bodily strength diminished, his mind also became weak and his senses less powerful. The crocodile, however, being an animal of the water, had no difficulties. He was getting food and was therefore getting mental strength and sensual encouragement. Thus while the elephant became reduced in strength, the crocodile became more and more powerful. Now, from this we may take the lesson that in our fight with māyā we should not be in a position in which our strength, enthusiasm and senses will be unable to fight vigorously. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement has actually declared war against the illusory energy, in which all the living entities are rotting in a false understanding of civilization. The soldiers in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement must always possess physical strength, enthusiasm and sensual power. To keep themselves fit, they must therefore place themselves in a normal condition of life. What constitutes a normal condition will not be the same for everyone, and therefore there are divisions of varṇāśrama — brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, brahmacarya, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. Especially in this age, Kali-yuga, it is advised that no one take sannyāsa.

aśvamedhaḿ gavālambhaḿ

sannyāsaḿ pala-paitṛkam

devareṇa sutotpattiḿ

kalau pañca vivarjayet

[Cc. Ādi 17.164]

(Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa)

From this we can understand that in this age the sannyāsa-āśrama is forbidden because people are not strong. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu showed us an example in taking sannyāsa at the age of twenty-four years, but even Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya advised Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu to be extremely careful because He had taken sannyāsa at an early age. For preaching we give young boys sannyāsa, but actually it is being experienced that they are not fit for sannyāsa. There is no harm, however, if one thinks that he is unfit for sannyāsa; if he is very much agitated sexually, he should go to the āśrama where sex is allowed, namely the gṛhastha-āśrama. That one has been found to be very weak in one place does not mean that he should stop fighting the crocodile of māyā. One should take shelter of the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, as we shall see Gajendra do, and at the same time one can be a gṛhastha if he is satisfied with sexual indulgence. There is no need to give up the fight. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore recommended, sthāne sthitāḥ śruti-gatāḿ tanu-vān-manobhiḥ. One may stay in whichever āśrama is suitable for him; it is not essential that one take sannyāsa. If one is sexually agitated, he can enter the gṛhastha-āśrama. But one must continue fighting. For one who is not in a transcendental position, to take sannyāsa artificially is not a very great credit. If sannyāsa is not suitable, one may enter the gṛhastha-āśrama and fight māyā with great strength. But one should not give up the fighting and go away.



Bhaktivinoda Thakura has explained one should becomes a sat grhastha and chant 64 rounds a day ,and control his senses this is better than a sannyasi engaged in illict sex with his disciples and taking their money .Prabhu fall downs for sannyasis where not only in the 80th or 70 th, it is still going on, Srila Prabhupadas advised to chantt 64 rounds and stay protected from lust and so did our acaryas, not only to stay protected from lust but also to advance in KC.Chota Haridas is still counted by our acaryas as a nityaparisad of Lord Caitanya ,Kala Krsna das was a newcomer to Lord Caitanya and His devotional service, he was given so much mercy by Lord Nityananda and the vaisnavas..so we should be merciful with others and strict with ourself.

An honest sweeper is better than a charlatant yogi Srila Prabhupada said..

your servant

Payonidhi das

[Paramananda das]

honesty is a must in dealings with ourselves and others